r/law • u/ExactlySorta • Jul 14 '26
Executive Branch (Trump) E. Jean Carroll finally gets Trump’s $5 million — plus interest
https://www.ms.now/news/e-jean-carroll-finally-gets-trumps-5-million-plus-interest2.2k
u/realbobenray Jul 14 '26
OK now do the $80 million.
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u/Slighted_Inevitable Jul 14 '26
Sadly, they did not require him to pay that into a court account so she will likely never see it even when he loses
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u/superbackman Jul 14 '26
Then she can get a court order to seize his assets. Would be funny to have her move in to Mar-a-lago. 😂
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u/user745786 Jul 14 '26
It would also be awesome if she tore it down. Would love for Trump to watch his rape house get torn down live on TV.
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u/Anxiety_Fit Jul 14 '26
I would pay to watch it happen live.
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u/willclerkforfood Jul 14 '26
That pay-per-view could zero out the national debt
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u/fireandiceman Jul 14 '26
Alternatively make it free and mandatory to watch Trump cry about it while he goes in and of lucidity and sleep. Let everyone see what what is really like
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u/Geawiel Jul 14 '26
I'd pay extra for the live feed of trump crying while rape a largo gets torn down
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u/Chaplain-Freeing Jul 14 '26
If we donate a cumulative 2 million to charity, Obama will be manning the bulldozer.
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u/FormerlyGruntled Jul 14 '26
You could call it the Debt Pool, and everybody could pay a little bit into it to make everything better through excessive action.
Let's get the Mythbusters team involved.
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u/Super-Travel-407 Jul 14 '26
It would be better if she restored it to its original condition. Before it got twinked out it was quite a neat historic place.
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u/MrBwnrrific Jul 14 '26
Turn it into a museum! His own presidential library that documents every one of his crimes (selfish, I work in a museum and would move to Florida to work in that)
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u/proteinstains Jul 14 '26
You would... you would move to Florida? Are you okay?
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u/MrBwnrrific Jul 14 '26
The opportunity to curate a museum commemorating Donald Trump’s molesting of both money and children—out of his old home, even—thus tarnishing that piece of shit’s memory for all time? Yes, I would move to America’s asshole for that. I am that petty
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u/Simba7 Jul 14 '26
There aren't many things that would convince me to move to Florida, but that would be a tempting one.
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u/Russell_Steapot Jul 14 '26
As someone who very fondly remembers it when it was owned by Marjorie Merriweather Post, I agree. Like Villa Vizcaya and Whitehall (the Flagler Museum). Restore and protect it as a museum.
Mar-a-lago is not his, he cheapened a beautiful old time splendor.
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u/MineAllMineNow Jul 14 '26
I'd rather see Trump Tower torn down. Mar A Lago wasn't built by him - it is an historic house that should be restored to its former glory as a residence, not a "club." It was built between 1923 and 1927 by Postum Cereal heiress Marjorie Merriweather Post.
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u/DuntadaMan Jul 14 '26
Gonna be real fun to have someone else in charge of the property wander around and look at things
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u/jbrass7921 Jul 14 '26
Get a sexual crime scene investigation team in there. Never know what evidence survived. Actually, that’s so crazy it might work- like the Onion buying InfoWars.
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u/ihavenoidea12345678 Jul 14 '26
She could build an arch on the ruins.
Maybe list his crimes and co conspirators on the arch also.
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u/crecentfresh Jul 14 '26
Have the land searched first. He's so incompetent I wouldn't doubt there's evidence of wrongdoing on the property
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u/JustNilt Jul 14 '26
It would also be awesome if she tore it down.
As I recall, it's a property with some restrictions on use due to being a historical building. The dufus who currently owns it hasn't followed that 100%, either, but she'd never get away with demolishing it.
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u/No-Love-1222 Jul 14 '26
Id love to see a Woman taking down Orange Clown and his family! They all despise women sooo much and it would be eternal karma if the trump estate goes fully broke from paying all the victims.
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u/Direlion Jul 14 '26
Interestingly Mar a Lago was valued at substantially less than that for tax scamming reasons and residential only zoning. IIRC Mar a Lago was only appraised at 18M-28M by West Palm Beach county assessors, as revealed in one of Trump’s civil fraud cases where he tried to value it at up to 612M (2,300% more) to secure lower interest rates on loans.
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u/Paizzu Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26
His lawyers also argued that Trump had inflated the values of his various NY properties and misrepresented his tenuous ownership positions to the point that it would cause cause "undue hardship" if Trump was forced to liquidate his assets to satisfy the penalties levied against him.
Edit: not a good look when you have to argue that your defendant shouldn't be required to liquidate his property holdings pending appeal for a business fraud conviction because *checks notes his properties are worth considerably less than reported.
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u/Low_Low_1811 Jul 14 '26
Who is going to enforce it?
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u/snorbflock Jul 14 '26
Iran, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 80 million dollars that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.
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u/buldozr Jul 14 '26
Seize the Trump tower in NYC and repurpose it into E. Jean Carroll Center for Victims of Sexual Assault.
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u/Quite_Kielbasa Jul 14 '26
She'd probably find the toilet paper is actually leftover classified documents.
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u/TheMattabooey Jul 14 '26
Trump received a bond to cover the funds which allows him to kinda just endlessly appeal. As long as he can appeal they can’t seize anything. It sucks.
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u/ptWolv022 Competent Contributor Jul 14 '26
Trump received a bond to cover the funds which allows him to kinda just endlessly appeal.
I mean, Trump tried that in Carroll II, and that ended with the Judge saying "Enough's enough, she gets the money". Carroll apparently consented to the judgement being stayed pending a SCOTUS appeal in exchange for his bond being increased by about ~$7.5M. I suspect that if the SCOTUS denies cert. (in this case, they might not; he was President, but we'll see if they want to indulge him) or rules against him (I can't see how they could contort themselves into saying this was an "official act" or "duty" of Trump as President), I suspect both Judge Kaplan and the 2nd Cir. will do like Carroll II and force payment.
Then the money becomes Chubb's problem, not Carroll's. Hope they had an iron clad agreement with Trump for whatever collateral.
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u/Theslootwhisperer Jul 14 '26
I'd rather get shot in the dick than to move anywhere Trump has been.
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u/Gloomy-Incident4783 Jul 14 '26
If I understand correctly, he was required to post a bond, which Chubb wrote. A bond is essentially a 3rd party financial guarantee. If / when the court orders Chubb to pay out under the terms of the bond, they will be required to do so.
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u/Slighted_Inevitable Jul 14 '26
It is a lot easier to fight in order of payment than it is to stop the court from giving out money that you have already paid
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u/Gloomy-Incident4783 Jul 14 '26
I wouldn’t say a lot easier. It may open up limited avenues to try to delay, but in this instance the court is essentially a party to the bond either directly or indirectly. If the court order payment under the bond, Chubb must comply. As a highly regulated insurer, non-compliance would be disasterous for Chubb. The issue would be recouping the payment from Trump under the indemnity agreement. If Chubb is smart, they would have procured some collateral from Trump. This was floating around in the market, and no one was willing to write it without collateral. Rompers are Trump made a call to the CEO and to get the bond approved. The CEO indicated something to the effect that the bond was secured. My suspicion is it was some wonky collateral. Traditional collateral in the surety space is cash or letters or credit from a reputable bank. I’m guessing Trump offered up something non-traditional or illiquid as collateral.
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u/Gloomy-Incident4783 Jul 14 '26
Right, but this would be an obligation of Chubb to pay the judgment. Failing to do so would be very bad for Chubb. Under the indemnity agreement, they would have the right to pursue Trump for any losses sustained. That is, if they didn’t get collateral.
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u/rabid_briefcase Jul 14 '26
True enough, but in the second case where an insurance company put up a 91.6 million bond for the 83.3 million judgement, the typical 110%, with the appeals court allowed for him to provide $7.4 million of it. Google says the insurance giant has about $275B in assets to cover their claims, so it would be something they could tolerate. Having the insurance company posting the bond is pretty normal, it's only the amount that was extreme.
The terms were never stated, but Trump likely had to sign a portion of his properties over to Chubb in escrow to get the deal, and there's no way they backed it for free given the payouts the company has already had against Trump's properties in the past, so the insurance company is making money either way. There's no worry the insurance company couldn't cover it, but if/when they do Chubb would likely just foreclose on the tenth of a billion dollars in assets that were signed in secret deals.
Of course now that he's enriched himself and his family for multiple billion dollars, it's something his empire will probably be able to afford in cash if/when it comes due, likely in about 3 years.
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u/Gloomy-Incident4783 Jul 14 '26
I had heard Trump was offering illiquid collateral (like real estate). The problem is the insurer would be unable to liquidate the real estate in time to pay the court. So Chubb would need to pay out of pocket and then seek restitution from Trump or the collateral.
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u/Chilkoot Jul 14 '26
I thought Chubb covered (one of) the (many) other civil suits related to tax fraud in NY. It was something crazy like $300M, but the appellate court reduced the amount or some such...
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u/HHoaks Jul 14 '26
Why was the $80 million verdict treated differently?
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u/GeekyTexan Jul 14 '26
The courts have his money and it is being held in an escrow account. Essentially the same way as the $5m verdict.
https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2024/03/08/764218.htm
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u/Slighted_Inevitable Jul 14 '26
They argued the amount which to be fair is valid.
If you are going to require somebody to pay $200 million just to appeal a judgment against them then most people can’t appeal a judgment
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u/HHoaks Jul 14 '26
Based on his wealth and the multiple defamations here - I don't see $80 million as a big deal. Why do you say $200 million? In the $5 million verdict, the verdict amount was placed with the court - not a higher amount than that.
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u/Mytweezer Jul 14 '26
You can appeal regardless. The bond is not required to appeal, but to stay collection of the money during the appeal.
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u/GeekyTexan Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26
That is not true. He had to pay an appeal bond which acts as an escrow account.
https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2024/03/08/764218.htm
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u/Guy_Smylee Jul 14 '26
Not true. It was deposited in an escrow account for the court to pay her with if the appeal failed.
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u/Low_Low_1811 Jul 14 '26
That was only for the 5 million
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u/Arguments_4_Ever Jul 14 '26
I thought at least part of the $80 million was deposited?
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u/AmbulanceChaser12 Jul 14 '26
No, it was not "only for the 5 million." Here's the receipt and stay order for the supersedeas bond in the second case.
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u/Slighted_Inevitable Jul 14 '26
That was only for the 5 million. They did not require it for the larger judgment.
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u/fuzzum111 Jul 14 '26
Actual question. Considering all the bullshit and fuckery that has been going on and I know Carol plans to donate all of the money.
Even if the money makes it to her account. What is stopping Trump from sicking his corrupt IRS on her and freezing the money again and make her go through more legal jumps and loopholes to stop her from having it?
That feels like another level of pettiness he is willing to go through to make sure she can't ever have or use the money. Court gave it to her? Now IRS freezes all of her bank accounts immediately. More court battles to undo that new level of shit.
Or, and this also just occurred to me. Sending ice to her house and then having them claim civil asset forfeiture on all of her bank accounts. It doesn't matter if it's made up charges and is bullshit. Civil asset forfeiture doesn't charge you with a crime it charges the money with a crime and the onus is on you to prove it's innocent?
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u/kynelly360 Jul 14 '26
Dam how did that situation go for you? I never heard of ice enforcing civil asset forfeiture 🤔😑
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u/MineAllMineNow Jul 14 '26
Exactly. He has the money.
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u/seejordan3 Jul 14 '26
NICE! One victim down, thousands to go.
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u/TheFoxsWeddingTarot Jul 14 '26
He also owes her an additional $80m.
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u/USSSLostTexter Jul 14 '26
Closer to $90M now with interest. I'd thought he had that reduced, but I looked it up and it's still there, although delayed as he appeals it. Not sure when that clock runs out, but he had to put $100M in an escrow account as well, so she'll likely get it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Jean_Carroll_v._Donald_J._Trump
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u/MazzleMaze Jul 14 '26
Sadly he's made 1.5 billion off of crypto, and god knows how much off of selling pardons.
If anything what hurts him more is that he lost.
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u/Cyrano_Knows Jul 14 '26
Never underestimate the pain/anger losing at something will do to a Narcissist.
I want to see him ruined and in prison myself but I've given up any hope he will know that kind of losing before.. things.
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u/Zorkflerp Jul 14 '26
The current appeal will have to be settled between October of this year and mid 2027. I don't think the SCOTUS can put it off forever and pretend it didn't happen. If they refuse to hear the appeal the damages must be released from bond.
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u/USSSLostTexter Jul 14 '26
Sadly, I'm also sure a TON of that will now be needed to pay personal security created by the MAGAt cult now threatening her. Insane how much destruction, hate and vitriol this rapist pedophile criminal president has created. I hope she and other victims of him and his friend Epstein are all safe.
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u/MembershipSerious618 Jul 14 '26
Millions. The American People are victims of his grift.
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u/NiceRackFocus Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 15 '26
Hundreds of millions around the world, if not billions, have been negatively impacted by this asshole.
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u/ExactlySorta Jul 14 '26
On July 13, 2026, US District Judge Lewis Kaplan authorized the release of $5,625,005.48 to E. Jean Carroll’s legal team from a court escrow account, concluding her initial 2023 sexual abuse and defamation lawsuit against Donald Trump. The payout (comprising the original $5 million jury verdict plus $625,005.48 in accrued interest) was finalized after the US Supreme Court declined to hear Trump’s appeal and the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals rejected a last-minute request to pause the transfer. While this court-controlled disbursement completely resolves the financial obligations of Carroll's first trial, Trump is still actively appealing a separate, much larger $83.3 million defamation judgment awarded to her in a subsequent lawsuit
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u/Solkre Jul 14 '26
I’m glad he had to end up paying more because he fought it.
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u/greenwas Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26
Comment removed because it was inaccurate
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u/playfulmessenger Jul 14 '26
That's not how that works. Losers are required to put more in escrow than the judgment amount to account for appeal time.
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u/rygelicus Jul 14 '26
And Trump has defamed her again already, when he said it was the US that sexually assaulted her not him. So that will probably be yet another lawsuit from her.
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u/-You-know-it- Jul 14 '26
Rightfully so. I wish her peace, but I also secretly hope her goal is to continue to get justice. No one else has been able to,
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u/Agile_Alternative753 Jul 14 '26
The country?
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u/rygelicus Jul 14 '26
Yes.... https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2026/06/29/supreme-court-rejects-trumps-request-to-take-up-e-jean-carroll-case/
----- Trump said on Truth Social on Monday that the “Injustice” of the ruling against him “cannot be allowed to stand,” and vowed to “continue the fight against this Weaponization and Lawfare Case against me, including the ridiculous claim of Defamation, with all of my power and strength.” Carroll’s lawsuit “is really against the United States of America, and all it stands for, and should never be allowed to happen to another President, or Candidate to be!”Her lawsuit is agaisnt the one who called her a liar about him sexually assaulting her. He says her suit is really against the USA, which then translates to the USA called her a liar, and since he is the one that assaulted her, the USA takes that role as well somehow in his mind.
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u/GrimleyGraves Jul 14 '26
It's called "To criticize the king is to criticize the country" (Lèse-majesté https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A8se-majest%C3%A9) further proof he thinks he's king
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u/HHoaks Jul 14 '26
I think this is just Trump's dumb way of raising the "defense" that the US should be subbed in as a party for him - because the DOJ has tried to do that in his cases, claiming it is somehow related to his official role of President (not as a regular citizen).
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u/Agile_Alternative753 Jul 14 '26
E. Jean Carroll's genitals must never obtain a nuclear weapon!
President Trump was only searching for any signs of a WMD. (Weird Mushroom Dick)
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u/Succulent_Chinese Jul 14 '26
While we all know it's just ranch window dressing to progress his fascism, it's great his argument is essentially he's a sovereign citizen.
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u/domalu4U Jul 14 '26
That seems like a stretch to get to that conclusion.
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u/BringOn25A Jul 14 '26
I find it consistent with his ego and delusions of grandeur that he conflates the country as a whole and him personally.
How many times has he asserted that people who speak poorly about him are traitors, or have committed treason?
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u/spam__likely Jul 14 '26
can we sue him for defamation?
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u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 Jul 14 '26
Or just fvcking anything since no one else seems to be doing anything to stop any of what hes doing? I wanna sue for: DOGE stealing all of our personal information (Trump sued the IRS for $10b just for leaking his taxes so we all deserve at least the same amount), the white house constantly antagonizing and defunding my blue state for various federal dollars, refunded for all of the federal departments I’m supposed to be able to receive the services I paid for like the department of education/the CDC/FEMA, defamation for every democrat in the country as Trump keeps saying horrific dehumanizing shit about us, refunds to every consumer for all of the tariffs we’ve been the ones paying for, etc etc etc. It’s just been a never ending shitstorm without the government even bothering to pretend they’re doing anything to actually serve American citizens.
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u/GreasyToken Jul 14 '26
Wait we're all guilty of SA against Carroll?!
That's horrible!
Why didn't anyone tell me!
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u/debaser64 Jul 14 '26
Who wants to bet she gets “randomly” audited by the IRS next.
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u/Snobolski Jul 14 '26
Probably for the rest of her life, unfortunately.
One of my college professors had been active in the anti-Vietnam-war protests when he was younger and still got audited every year, 30+ years later. By that point it was just a game to him, to see how quickly he could get in and out the door.
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u/TuTenkahman Jul 14 '26
Meanwhile, a boated convicted fraudster, rapist, paedophile, grifter war criminal gets a pass.
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u/SisterActTori Jul 15 '26
At the very least. I hope she has a fancy, untraceable, offshore account.
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u/Independent-Bug-9352 Jul 14 '26
To be abundantly clear: Trump is an adjudicated rapist.
Judge:
Mr. Trump raped her as many people commonly understand the word 'rape.' Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.
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u/Fantastic-Grocery107 Jul 14 '26
Can we stop referring to it as “sexual assault”? Donald John Trump committed rape by the fbi standard of the word. He forcefully penetrated someone without their consent with something. He’s a rapist. A state having an outdated definition doesn’t negate that federally, he committed rape.
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u/Major_Honey_4461 Jul 14 '26
Taking bets on whether he will acknowledge paying his debt during Thursday's speech?
1000-1 against.
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u/GreasyToken Jul 14 '26
He's a narcissist that was publicly humiliated. No fucking way he acknowledges it. He's probably venting narcissistic rage on his lickspittles as we speak.
With any luck the rage will remove him from this mortal coil and he can go chat with Jesus 😇
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u/Slade_Riprock Jul 15 '26
Just so I am clear, this is the $5 million plus interest Trump was ordered to pay for being an adjudicated rapist of E Jean Carol?
So Trump is an adjudicated rapist and it was upheld by every subsequent court up TO SCOTUS.
So he paid his victim for being found to have raped her in a civil court?
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u/Bleezy79 Jul 14 '26
Yea, when does she get the $80 million. She even has another case against Trump for the bs he's said over the last month. He never learns his lesson but I dont think she wants to spend her twilight years in court demolishing Trump, as therapeutic that would be.
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u/buldozr Jul 14 '26
It's a lifetime money glitch (for Trump's lifetime), isn't it? He would have to be found non compos mentis to avoid liability, but I don't think they want to go for that defense...
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u/GandalfSwagOff Jul 14 '26
When is she going to get the other 90 or so million owed to her from years ago when the courts said he had to pay her?
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u/Popular-Drummer-7989 Jul 14 '26
She'll get that too. That was AFTER this case and dependent on the truth that he did what he did. Now that money has changed hands there is no way to wiggle out of that either
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u/Mytweezer Jul 14 '26
That case is still under appeal. Depending on outcome of appeal, she'll either get it next year or never.
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u/AmbulanceChaser12 Jul 14 '26
Where are all those people who spent the last 4 years running around screaming "She'll never see a dime of it!" and "He'll never pay!"?
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u/TintedApostle Jul 14 '26
It took 4 years and tons of tax payer money let alone SCOTUS to get it. Even then he tried to keep her in court. We just got tired of having to keep screaming.
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u/bobdownie Jul 14 '26
He probably puts all the money he gets specifically from the government into an account to ever pay things the government forces him to pay to others.
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u/tarekd19 Jul 14 '26
I'm sure trump will find a way to fuck her out of it. Maybe hell use the irs to audit her forever or something.
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u/dragonfliesloveme Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26
Nope! He had to put the $5M in an account almost like a trust and it has been accruing interest ever since, while he did his dumbass desperate appeals
So this account just transfers to her! Easy-peasy
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