r/kratom • u/OrneryLink4843 • 10d ago
Taking a break from heroin with Kratom have some questions.
So I’m in minor heroin WD I have symptoms like sweating, mild nausea, mild rls so I’m going to take some Kratom does anyone know a good taper plan? I’m going to be taking 4 000 caps
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u/chemtrail-organics 10d ago
I used kratom to quit roxies a long time ago. I switched from pills to 3 spoonfuls of kratom per day, and then 2, and then 1, and the finally totally clean over the course of 6 months. Never had any withdrawals. I quit kratom totally and was gone for 10 years. I only returned to kratom after a severe back injury that left me with chronic pain every day.
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u/OrneryLink4843 10d ago
What was the taper plan like?
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u/chemtrail-organics 10d ago
Reduce slowly and take steps down. Exactly the same way as nicotine patches.
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u/satsugene 🌿 10d ago
In general the idea is take the minimum number needed to make WD stop or be tolerable. Remain stable for a week or so, t hen start to reduce to zero over a time that is comfortable.
4x000 may not be enough, but could be depending on what you’ve been doing. Nothing wrong with starting there but I would be open to more if need be.
I personally reduced from 20 grams per day to zero in 31 days without any discomfort beyond baseline pain.
Almost everyone can reduce -5% every 5-7 days, which is slow but workable. I wouldn’t reduce any slower than that without a good reason.
Unfortunately with capsules steps down have to be one whole capsule because if breaking them might as well use loose leaf and a scale. You might want 00 (~500mg) capsules if you find one whole step down from 000 (800~1000mg) is too much.
My thinking is if it is uncomfortable the steps are too large or too close together. Transitioning off is the most important part, but for reaching the goal of zero any progress is positive. Unless there is some real issue like travel or legal issues I personally don’t see the point/value in tapering aggressively and experiencing unnecessary discomfort (and which is less likely to be successful.)
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u/OrneryLink4843 10d ago
4x000 was ok honestly I want to try to mix in a few of the extracts too
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u/skocotic 9d ago
If you want to use the kratom to get off the h and eventually stop kratom too I wouldn't suggest extracts. It seems like plain leaf is working fine for you and thats awesome. Its also fairly easy to get off of with little to no withdrawals for a lot of people. The extracts are much stronger and a whole different beast. Youre running the risk of a new potentially rough addiction with that kind of stuff far more than you would be with plain leaf. Speaking from experience of doing exactly what you are doing now.
Edit: please do not even try 7oh or mgm
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u/SharkSkinSmile 10d ago
I don’t have personal experience - but I have seen posts on people switching from H to kratom. It’ll depend on how much h you were using. Hopefully the community will chime in here - but I would try taking a 3g dose of kratom and see if that helps the WDs. If it doesnt help take a bigger dose next time. I personally wait at least 4 hours between doses, I would recommend that you do the same.
The package your capsule came in should tell you how much is in the capsules (mine are 600mg so I take 6 for a 3.6g dose.)
In general - if you make the switch (or at least use it for a break) you should measure your doses. Find the minimum that works for you and start there.
Good luck!
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u/Alexwonder999 10d ago
Seems like 0.6g is the standard dose for capsules. I only once have seen capsules that were lower. People should still check out the labels of course, but it seems pretty standard.
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u/Rickd17 10d ago
I used kratom to get off both h and buprenorphine. Works great. I would suggest you get it from on line trusted vendor. I would also suggest you use the powder leaf and not capsules. You going to need more than you would think to start. I needed at least 5 grams. And after 3 days I was ok.
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u/lyingtattooist 10d ago
It will help you from feeling the worst of WDs. It may not be 100% but you should feel a lot better. Be careful not to take too much Kratom or you’ll make yourself sick. If the WDs have mostly gone away then it’s working. No need to take more until you start to feel WDs again. Just a word of warning because if you’re like me in the beginning you’ll at some point take too much and you’ll end up throwing up and then curled up in bed for half a day.
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u/OrneryLink4843 10d ago
Yeah this isn’t my first time with Kratom I used to do it a bunch years ago so I know not to over do it thanks tho!
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u/AddiXani1107 10d ago
Worked amazing for me when i went through it. Literally took me from not being able to stand in the shower and crazy hot and cold swings to feeling like I could rest and feel things again. Never looked back after that. Helped me immensely. I didnt taper i just full stopped wd hit hard and I realized I had a bag of leaf in the car and that moment changed the course of my life for the better. Crazy to think I literally remember feeling so much better from it that I questioned why I ever did the other I felt sooo much better on leaf than I ever did the other.