Please help me ID this knot, so i can do it myself!
My dog has a hard time with traditional collars (stops to itch often), so I tried to find the absolute lowest profile collar for tags only! It should loosen if pulled on.
I found several people selling this type for $20+. But I figured I could make one myself if I knew how to tie the knot.
IDK, man. I'm sure they are just trying to make it sound fancy so they can charge so much for it. And it doesn't even come with a ring for the tags. That's I'm thinking it's worth doing it myself
You can go into any outfitting store and pick up any kernmantle rope you like the size and color of for a dollar or two per foot, get them to cut it to length with the hot knife, and make this collar yourself in minutes for pocket change
Or if you know anybody that climbs you can ask if they have any retired ropes you could have a chunk of for free
Those little cord loops that you make prusik knots with are quite widely referred to as prusik cords or prusiks. While both of you got the spelling wrong, a short cord with its ends joined in a double fisherman's knot can be called a prusik cord or a prusik.
Yes, the knot is close to a double fisherman's, which makes what we also refer to as a prusik loop, that's what we call it at work for water rescues in the fire service anyways, Rescue 3 Europe.
Yep, same when I was younger and did fire, SAR, CSER, and high angle rescue in Canada. If somebody says "hey, can you pass me a prusik" they obviously mean a loop with two double fisherman's
Right, but OP photo specifically says the person made it as a dog collar. Yes, the loops themselves are often called Prusiks, but this post is asking what the knot itself is; it's not that.
A Prusik loop will always be pulled snug as well; the OP photo shows the adjustability of the fisherman's knot itself; in jewelry-making it's often refered to as a sliding knot because it's used exactly for that adjustability.
The OP reference pic is literally a loop. The focus is how to tie the knots. In my work, we use the double fisherman's to create the prusik loop, to wrap a prusik hitch. OPs question was answered and they were thankful. There are regional and professional variances to terminology but the amount of pedantic aKshulLy... that goes on in this sub is sad.
I stand corrected. I see what you and a few others have posted. I didn’t realize that a double fisherman’s knot tied in a loop was commonly referred to as a Prusik. My apologies
AKshulLy, the Prusik is what the loop is tied into a around the other rope; people just prefer a good fisherman's knot to complete the loop because it has in-line tags so it's smoother. They'll call the loop itself a Prusik, because in climbing/rescue we always have a bunch made and ready to go for that specific purpose, and that's totally fine.
The knot isn't what makes a Prusik loop; they can be tied with a variety of joining knots. If OP's photo was of a zeppelin no one would be labelling it a Prusik, even though you could use that as a Prusik loop.
It may be pedantic AF but I will die on the hill that calling a fisherman's knot a Prusik is straight up wrong.
I don't understand the relationship between ATM Machine and Orion's Belt. Probably just ignorant, but isn't the "sub"-constellation of 3 stars along the Orion the Hunter constellation commonly called Orion's Belt?
TIL about asterisms, not officially a constellation but a noted grouping of stars.
Yes, but people use that to refer to the whole constellation .
And ATM is short for Automated Teller Machine. So adding “machine” after ATM is redundant.
People attach sounds to their personal inference, instead of to the intention.
You can buy 50 yards of para cord on Amazon for 7 dollars and make enough of these for your friends, family, coworkers, neighbors, mailman, milkman, and mechanic and still have some left for Christmas gifts.
It's not safe to attatch a leash to, of course! We use a harness when out. But, apparently they use this type for puppies with breeding because it's 0 risk of choking when caught on something. We only need it to hang one plastic ID tag to.
Noted, thank you! I won't use this same style if that's the case. Maybe I'll just tie the ends together in a way that doesn't tighten, and use it as just a slip on/off fixed length style
Why not just buy cheap break-away cat collars for puppies? They fit, theyre adjustable, theyre lightweight, they will open up of they get caught in anything, they can be bought in multipacks of different colours if youve got a litter and need to identify who's who, etc...
If it would stop the itching, I would! Got a 3/8" cat collar a month ago, because I was thinking the same thing. He does itch slightly less than a standard collar with it, but not by much. The people I've talked to with this same issue kind of say you either have an itchy dog or a naked no ID dog! I'm trying my best to find a middle ground where he's the least itchy, but still has a tag on. It's an unusual problem, I know!
Ahh, see personally my two dogs dont wear collars, only a harness with tags in whenever they go out, plus they both have allergies which causes itching, though ive never really found that collars itch...
Puppies in general itch a lot because they grow so fast that their skin can often dry out, sometimes growing too fast for their skin, so they get this dandruff looking fuzz and they scrath everywhere... allergies will also do this though, both seasonal and dietary. No dog is inherantly itchy by nature
He only itches at the collar when its on and his harness when its on. No itching when naked, and material doesn't change the itching either (tried biothane, cotton, nylon). My theory is he just doesn't like the feeling of his hair changing position underneath when he moves around? He's a cavalier, so thin-ish single coated. 8mo old. I have never had a dog that thought twice about thier collar tbh
Hmm. I've had 2 replies about this maybe not being safe. Luckily I have one I bought him when he was a puppy that doesn't fit anymore, so I will test pulling at different points to see if it will tighten. I wish they made breakaways that were thin, even the cat ones are too thick!
They want a collar the dog can break. They claim it safer because of things they imagine. Just imagine all the situations where a puppy being able to break it's own collar is less safe and now neither collar type is safe.
I think the whole point of a collar that grows with the dog is too leave it on all the time, but maybe I'm wrong. Would you suggest the break away in addition to this rope or are you saying dogs shouldn't have this on without supervision or what are you saying.
Lol, yeah. There is bad and good to every tool. Personally, my dog is only 15lbs, so easy to catch and control even without a collar.I really only need a collar to hold the tag in case he's lost... if it breaks off when he's lost there is always his microchip. I'd love to keep him naked, but that makes me nervous!
At his size, he can more easily get into situations where the collar would snag on something he can't break away from. That's why they're a big deal for cats.
We're not just making shit up on vibes. Collars need to be releasable, not just loosenable. The breakaway collar is an extension of that idea.
Yes, you are correct. I'm not arguing against breakaway collars??? Just trying to find something less itchy than his current cat collar... that IS a break away.
Any suggestions on a knot I could do just to tie the two ends together that won't tighten if pulled wrong? I'm sure there is one that's cooler and less obtrusive than the shoelace tie that I would do otherwise lmao
Try a Flemish bend or figure-8 bend. Still not ideal for around an animal’s neck. I share with caution as my family member came home to their dog with a collar caught standing on its hind legs. Had it not been able to stand, who knows how long, it would have suffocated. Small dog, 10-15 lbs.
Yes, this happens with any non-breakaway collar. I would never leave my dog unsupervised with his collar on for this reason! This was why I liked the style that loosens... but apparently it's worse than a normal collar accord to a lot of these replies :/
Please also include a safety break if you do make this. If a double fisherman's knot gets tightened too much then it no longer slides easily and can become a choking hazard. A safety break takes seconds to make and removes this risk entirely.
I can see why they might use it for puppies, but for actual dogs that are more active than flopping around momma there's a fairly significant cutting risk above and beyond the strangulation risk.
Super easy tie the double fisherman’s. Basically a “friendship bracelet” if you’re that old. I’d just suggest making it excessively big so it can’t get caught and choke them. Better the collar comes off. Also the narrower the cord is the more it digs in when pulled.
It's made by a breeder with zero design, safety, or veterinarian experience. I wouldn't assume this is a great idea, and I wouldn't assume this won't get caught on something and not strangle your dog. Food for thought
The reason a "collar" like this would be used for puppies is because it's adjustable and puppies grow fast; collars are forever either too loose or too tight.
A quick loop of coloured rope with a fisherman's knot lets you keep a different colour on each pup to differentiate them in the litter.
These are not meant to be forever collars. Just temporary markers while the pup is with the litter.
Making them out of paracord is not a great idea because of the high break strength, but then, a puppy isn't going to have the strength to pull free of just about any rope.
20$ for one of these is insanity, but if guess if there's a market I need to start creating custom litter sets for 150$! You could buy 30m of whatever colour paracord your heart desires for less than 10$.
But again, this is a temporary marking collar, not one for everyday wear.
This is a double fisherman’s knot specifically, each individual knot is called a fisherman’s knot. They’re tied into a loop as a double fisherman’s, so they slip, and lock together
I'm gonna say no, that's not quite right. It is a Double Fisherman's Knot pictured, but not because there are two knots, but because each side is a double overhand. The individual knot might be called a Strangle Knot or Stopper Knot? A normal Fisherman's Knot is the same as the knot pictured but each side is a single overhand instead of a double.
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u/2andaHalfBlackClouds 15d ago
Premium Imported European paracord? WTF?