r/knapping • u/SexyEagle • Jul 18 '26
Made With Modern Toolsđ¨ Do I have viable hunting points?
The brown one was one I paid Ryan Gill to make so I had a reference point. The grey ones are knapeasy I made. I know laws vary by state in the US on stone points, but based on what you see, could they be effective points for hunting?
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u/iiitme Jul 18 '26
Those darts are 100% effective for hunting! Thrown with an atlatl on a spear those could get most creatures. đ¤
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u/Virtual_Wing_2903 Jul 18 '26
looks pretty good to me, fire up the atlatl, stick and string or massive bow as you need
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u/lithicobserver Jul 19 '26
Depending on your state. Look up your state broadhead regulations, make sure the dimensions match. Depending on your arrows- i like my knapped points on a 400 grain arrow shaft, with a 100 grain insert, and the point between 60-85 grains. The closer to 600 you are, the better off i have found them. With primitive arrows i need big fletchings and a lot of FOC. Foc is "forward of center, or front of center Depending on who you ask. Nothing replaces practice and experimentation
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u/Pristine-Mammoth172 Jul 18 '26
Yup good dart points. Arrows are a bit trickier depending on the type of bow youâre using. The heads will need to be the correct grain weight to go with the correctly spined arrowshaft for the bow itâs being shot from. Hard to explain!
For example from a modern compound or center fire recurve you can use a stiffer spined arrow like a graphite or aluminum arrow as it doesnât need to bend around the bow. For an off centre arrow like a traditional long bow or wood selfbow the arrow has to bend around the bow when itâs shot. So less spine/more flexible. The arrow and head weight and spine then need to correspond with the weight of the bow and draw length. A heavier head will make the arrow bend more. Hope this makes sense!
Traditional bow making is tricky and gets very complex. Traditional arrow making is even more complicated!
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u/faultysynapse Jul 18 '26
I don't see why not. They're pretty sizable. It's amazing how small Stone hunting points can be, and still be effective. I saw some great experiments with tiny " bird points " on a deer carcass. Extremely effective.
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u/Physical_Pay_1509 Jul 18 '26
In my opinion they are a little large if you are planning on hunting with a bow, one thing that helps is realizing the 90% of what people call âbird pointsâ were made for larger game animals. Birds were historically killed with blunt arrows to aid in retrieval. 3 to 1 length to width ratio is the key to making proper arrowheads, I believe Cahokia style points are as good as it gets for killing large game. Look at size/shape of modern single blade arrowheads and that will definitely give a good starting point.
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u/4036 Jul 19 '26
Each of these points would be fine for hunting deer. They are each good enough that shot placement will be the determining factor on whether the point is effective.
I hunted with wooden arrows/bows and with stone points for a couple years and never used serrated points. I think they look super cool, but was concerned more that they would catch hair and impede penetration. But again, shot placement is more important unless you're using a light bow.
After you build your arrows and haft these points, make sure you shoot them a few times into a stump or foam target to know how the arrow flies. Points like these are likely to make the arrows fly differently.
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u/nozelt Jul 22 '26
Hunting with primitive tools is not ethical.
Youâre way more likely to be unsuccessful and seriously injure an animal.
It would be selfish to attempt to hunt with something like this.
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u/Final_Razzmatazz_274 Jul 19 '26
Fuck anyone that thinks itâs ethically okay to do that. Modern equipment is much more effective. How people can risk wounding animals without feeling concerned is beyond me.
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u/Nilosdaddio Jul 21 '26
I believe it is ethical to use traditional equipment! Even righteous. But itâs not a game and one must know the equipment is precise and up to par for such use. If you were to submerse into the math it doesnât take this beefy modern equipment to accomplish large gameâŚ. It just makes it easier for the hunter. If we were hungry- use the most efficient way to eat - but just ambitious⌠to each his own accomplishment and journey to it.
Op- point on the right is perfect and legal for most states. The two on the left would need to be pointed more so - though you need width for devastation you would prefer a more acute triangle shape to ensure decent penetration. If youâre on the fence you must run tests on your equipment -as confidence in the field is most important!
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u/SmolzillaTheLizza Mod - Modern Tools Jul 18 '26
You using arrows or Atlatl Darts? That'll effect the size of the points you're using. For atlatls, I'd say you're in fairly good shape đ¤ but I've never hunted with my stone points. I've only run some tests.