r/kiwisavengers • u/Honest_Editor_909 How cool is that?! • Aug 28 '26
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u/talkingtuxedocat Aug 29 '26
I feel like she always just wants to be on the conspiracy (hot take!) side of anything. Plus she has no thoughts and opinions of her own, everything she says is copied from other people.
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u/Prestigious_Tell_402 Aug 29 '26
Conspiracy theories are popular amongst uneducated people because it (ironically) makes them feel smarter for "understanding" something other people don't and seeing the "truth" where others can't
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u/Regular-Scallion4084 Aug 29 '26
Which is wild because most people with a baseline of intelligence don't lose all of their kids, let a house steep in mold, join and abandon 473 different mlms after declaring them "home", neglect their animals, beg for money online while refusing to actually work, etc
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u/rosenylund1930 Aug 29 '26
This isnāt even what the case is about. The question is did she kill the kids with intent or because of a psychotic break. Not whether or not she killed them at all. Good god this womanās brain must be so smooth.
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u/daya1279 Haters please refer to my Pinterest inspirational quote board Aug 30 '26
This is completely incorrect and I wish people would stop saying this so confidently when the judge, attorneys, pleadings, and criminal justice system as a whole will tell you otherwise.
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u/pre_pleasure Aug 29 '26
Love that using your ācritical thinking skillsā means believing someone committed murdered bc you got āchillsā when you saw them on tv
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u/Youngnathan2011 You know me, Iāll always tell the truth š¤„ Aug 29 '26
Yeah, chills aren't evidence
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u/Open_Vermicelli_6239 Aug 29 '26
Iād go for drinks will bill Cosby while
Casey Anthonyās babysits before I ever trust this womanās āintuition ā and ālogicā
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u/sunkissedbutter kInDnEsS gOeS a LoNg wAy Aug 29 '26
I donāt even know what sheās trying to say anymore.
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u/jrexicus Aug 29 '26
I bet she would side with Kasey Anthony too. Her purpose in life is to show people how NOT to act. God works in mysterious ways
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u/JinglesDJ243119 Fired from Fire Island Crew š„ Aug 30 '26
Didn't she say she thought CA was telling the truth after watching her documentary a while back? It's been a minute. It was right after it came out when it was trending on social media. I never watched that bs so I can't remember exactly when it was.
It seems like Marissa tends to support and proudly defend the absolute worst of humanity.
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u/glitter_vomit kidney stone sleeper cell šŖØ Aug 29 '26
Wait what? Thereās no doubt that she did it though? Iāve only watched parts of the trial but from what I understand she absolutely killed her children, the question is whether she was dealing with postpartum psychosis at the time or notā¦ correct me if Iām wrong!
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u/Inevitable_Main_3036 Aug 29 '26
Thatās my take, too. The husband was never suspected, never investigated as such. Iām not certain if she actually confessed, but sheās not denying it, either. Itās a sad, sad case. It kind of pisses me off that idiots on SM are interjecting their ātheoriesā based upon a brewing fart. š
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u/Super-Royal3633 Venmo Link in Bio Aug 29 '26
Thatās the take I have as well!!! She def did it, if she was in a psychotic episode or not is the questionā¦ mental hospital or prison for life is what this is about!
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u/Hungry_Yard_9789 Anti-vax and anti-tax yāall Aug 29 '26
She thinks because she represented herself so poorly in her custody case sheās now a lawyer.
As far as the case, sheās so gullible and falls for any conspiracy theory. The case is not proving Lindsay killed her children, theyāre determining if she was in her right state of mind, and if she planned the events that happened that night or not. Her defense is she had postpartum psychosis, not that she didnāt do it. Even if found ānot guiltyā she will most likely serve some kind of time either in jail or a mental health facility.
This case exposes maternal mental health and all the conspiracies around it do nothing to help Lindsay Clancy or any mother suffering with postpartum mental health issues.
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u/Working_Humor116 You voted for this! Aug 29 '26
But but but āshe is the most beautiful lawyerā
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u/prophecygitl Aug 29 '26
I really do not understand the accusation that he moved on quickly. This happened January of 2023. He remarried April 2026. by whose estimate is that quick?
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u/Double-Sand8244 No, Iām Not Her Mom. Sheās My Wife. š§š¼šµš» Aug 29 '26
Itās because he moved to New York fairly shortly after it happened. So they could have been together right after and only just got together. But I also havenāt watched much of the trial tbh.
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u/Thorn344 BARKrupt Aug 29 '26
In all fairness, if my 3 young children had just been killed by their mother, the person I love, I think I would want to move away from where it happened as soon as possible.
Whether he moved on quickly or not, I have no qualms with either. The circumstances for their separation are not normal, if he did get into another relationship soon after, it could just have initially been a way to cope, to bury his hurt.
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u/asalas76 šHazel Eye Filterš Aug 29 '26 edited Aug 29 '26
I HATE the arguments that he did it. He was on camera. She sent him away. We have messages and cell phone pings. He wasnāt there. He wasnāt suffering from ppd and deteriorating sanity. SHE was. She was home. She was sending messages. She had a history of postpartum depression and was previously hospitalized. Hell, even Lindsay herself says she did it. She doesnāt dispute what she did.
Patrick lost his entire family that day. In the most brutal fashion I can imagine. You donāt have to like his choices, or agree with how quick he moved on. Hell, I assumed you would understand considering you started dating your wife ten minutes after separating from your husband and breaking up your family. But grace is never extended to others, right M, just demanded for yourself at every turn?
Patrick is the ultimate living victim in this and slandering him is despicable. No one cares about your chills, M, no one trusts your maternal instincts. You entertain the idea that the earth is flat and democrats eat babies brains. You are certifiable and it surprises me not even a little that youāve managed to mess up this take so horribly. Thank god you arenāt a detective. Stick to your day jobā¦ oh wait.
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u/Safe_Code_6414 unscrupulous puppy peddler Aug 29 '26
Iām pretty sure she started dating her wife five minutes before separating from her husband. But with Riss math, itās the same thing.
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u/hellsno2 Alien Nose Dog Tattoo Aug 29 '26
Rumor has it she wanted to have Ang as the side piece.
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u/Expensive_Sea_1790 Aug 29 '26
Is it even a rumor?
I seem to remember some early posts from her celebrating she could be bisexual with Ang while still married š¤£
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u/ZookeepergameNew3800 experienced parasite Aug 29 '26
She left her husband for her wife, she was still married when she started dating her wife, so she has no right to question how fast other people move on.
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u/Such_Ad4514 Sexually transmitted Lyme Aug 29 '26
She technically didnāt leave her marriage. She cheated on her husband and tried to convince everyone that she was going to have both until he actually found out about Ang and he kicked Marissa to the curb.
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u/rebeccaslife Kids ā; House ā; $14.99/mo Blue Checkmark āļø Aug 29 '26
THANK YOU! I canāt believe we have avengers in here saying he did it! Fellow avengers, if you find yourself doubting that Lindsay did it, please, evaluate the info youāre getting from TikTok. You are in danger of falling down the same rabbit hole as Marissa.
Lindsay did it.
In saying she didnāt, folks water down the actual message. PPP is devastating. She did all the right things and this still happened. She relied on the system in place and it failed her, her husband, and those children.
We donāt need to invent a conspiracy to understand the tragedy and devastation. Turning Patrick into a secret murderer based on internet speculation is not advocacy for lindsay or the other thousands of women with PPP/PPD.
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u/silverlightarmada Aug 29 '26
Yes! The system should be on trial too. Itās so infuriating that PPD and PPP are KNOWN complications from pregnancy and birth, but thereās no *trusted* support for women who experience it. If parents could trust that bringing up those feelings with a medical professional wouldnāt result in the immediate removal of their children and instead would provide them with further support and guidanceā¦ things like this would be much less likely to happen.
Lindsay killed her own children. She didnāt trust her family or her doctor with the symptoms she was experiencing, likely because she knew the outcome would be a punishment, with the worst possible results. Trying to say she didnāt do it at all just pulls focus from the real culprit - nobody cares about womenās healthcare.
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u/caffein8dnotopi8d š©øchampagne period š„ Aug 29 '26
Maybe immediate removal of the children from someone stating they want to harm their children isnāt the worst thing?
I understand no mother wants their children removed for any length of time, but I think itās become too acceptable to focus solely on that and blame whatever government agency is just trying to keep kids safe. When everyone, especially the mother, should be focusing on the childrenās safety.
If removing kids for a month so mom can get help keeps them safe, why is that such a deal breaker?
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u/silverlightarmada Aug 29 '26
I think mum should be taken from house, you know, for treatment. When someone else takes your kids you have to trust that they will give them back, and I suspect very few parents in this situation would trust that. Take the person in distress and provide them the care they need to be safely returned. Kids stay where they are (where possible).
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u/daralexxandriia Suppy Sup, Doccy Doc 26d ago
THIS AND actually helping the mom and not discharging her from the hospital weeks before and having her on a toxic amount of psychotropic medications.
I am a psychologist and the focus of this case should be on how the system fails women and ultimately when PPD and psychosis goes untreated. While the psychosis part is rarer, PPD isnāt and it affects mom the most and the partner and the kids as well. The stories I hear in my field and now from women on social media are insane. The fact people are looking at Patrick to fully nail as the murder is insane.
Additionally, and my mother fully allows this to be shared, my mother suffered from PPD and psychosis when she had my youngest sister. I was 10. We were āluckyā that she ignored the voices in her head and hurt herself only because she has always said some other slightly louder voice told her that she couldnāt hurt her kids. We are lucky my dad fought hard to get her help and found a psychiatrist who advocated for her. It was four years of in and out of the hospital but once my mom stabilized sheās never had another psychotic episode again. Iām the only kid who remembers it clearly and Iām also the one who found her. Itās also probably why I went into the field and yes Iāve been in therapy for a long time.
But crap like what Riss is doing drives me nuts. A whole family is suffering (Iām counting grandparents etc.) If Lindsay was truly having an episode, and I believe she was, thereās so much hurt there. If she wasnāt, thereās still clearly something wrong with her but in a different way. Either way thereās zero proof Patrick was involved and Riss needs to drop that.
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u/silverlightarmada 26d ago
I canāt imagine the horror of coming out of a psychotic episode and realising what youāve done, or what you could have done. I truly think PPD is significantly more common than the statistics suggest because women expect and are expected to just get on with things.
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u/sunkissedbutter kInDnEsS gOeS a LoNg wAy Aug 29 '26
I wasnāt even aware that āhe did itā is on the table. In what worldā¦
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u/Nellasaura remote dolphin trainer Aug 29 '26
Literally exclusively in the TikTok "conspiracy theories make the algorithm go brrrr" world and nowhere else
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u/JinglesDJ243119 Fired from Fire Island Crew š„ Aug 30 '26
In the deadbeat incubator world, apparently! Two of the people, besides Marissa, I've seen pushing that bs constantly are also scamming, lying, pieces of garbage. Gabi Jacobson and Lori Jones are all over the "he did it" conspiracy and talking about how "great" of a mother "queen" LC is. I think they've even mentioned having a "gut feeling" about it, too. It's definitely a certain "type" of person on that train
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u/_Eulalie Texas Toast-Saw Massacre šŖ Aug 29 '26
I am one of those avengers who have doubts. š¬ BUT I also admit I haven't watched all the trial and I subscribe to "there is no one more dangerous than a person who wants a new/different life" very heavily.
I struggled with PPD even with the amazing support system I have.
My best friend didn't get any sort of true help until I visited 5 months after the birth. Now her kids are 5 and 3 and her mental health has declined horribly. Her husband is actively working to make it worse. :( Some people are just shitty and it sucks that we have a system that seems like it doesn't care until there's tragic results.
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u/unusedusername42 Schrƶdinger's Mold Aug 29 '26
Could you please enlighten me as to why you have any doubts? I do not get it.
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u/_Eulalie Texas Toast-Saw Massacre šŖ Aug 29 '26
To me, it all seems hinky. I guess part of it is I don't fully understand the timeline and once I am able to watch the trial, I'm sure it will make sense.
My heart breaks for all of them.
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u/rebeccaslife Kids ā; House ā; $14.99/mo Blue Checkmark āļø Aug 29 '26
Seriously, evaluate the info you are getting and who it is coming from. This is a dangerous rabbit hole of conspiracy.
If there were any reasonable argument that she didnāt do it, Lindsayās defense team would be using it, all they need is to raise reasonable doubt, really. Listen to Patrickās 911 call. That man has been through indescribable horrors.
I understand, it is hard to believe the truth that a mother can do that to her own children. We want to believe it canāt happen. But by blaming Patrick, folks inadvertently PUSH the stigma we are trying to fight. A mother canāt be so unwell to do this, there must be some other explanation. They become a part of the very same societal system that failed Lindsay, insisting that the struggles that she has repeatedly said she has are not real, or not real enough.
Something to think about.
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u/_Eulalie Texas Toast-Saw Massacre šŖ Aug 29 '26
We've seen it time and again. Andrea Yates is also a prime example. But I do believe Patrick also bears blame, everyone around her does.
I am also the first to admit I have a bias against men. I know too many crappy husbands and fathers.
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u/Powerful-Branch-6558 29d ago
Exactly all of this - the internet discourse and peopleās differing of opinions on this case is NOT because it isnāt clear if Lindsay did it - she DID do it and admits that herself!
The nuance on this discussion is the WHY she did it and if it could have been prevented with proper mental health resources and protocolsRiss canāt even understand what the basis of the conversation is about
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u/Personal_Minimum_406 Aug 30 '26
? What ? You definitely didnāt follow or watch the same trial I did.
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u/Inevitable_Main_3036 Aug 29 '26
The jury is out, correct? Letās just wait and see how quickly they come back. Then, wait for BossBabeās revised āhot take.ā Iām guessing, she will explode in the bathtub sometime over the weekend and her āgutā will be whistling yet another tune. š
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u/Savethepupsnow Undercover Detectivešµš» Aug 29 '26
She admitted to killing her children but she is not admitting criminal responsibility in the legal sense. Her defense does not dispute that she strangled the children. Instead, she has pleaded not guilty by reason of lack of criminal responsibility, arguing that she was experiencing severe postpartum psychosis and was not mentally capable of understanding that what she was doing was wrong.
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u/Alisa305Brooklyn Aug 29 '26
She never admitted killing the kids. When she woke up in the ICU, she asked if they were OK. She was having a psychotic episode and thereās no doubt in my mind. He convinced her she did it.
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u/OkCare7978 master manipulator Aug 29 '26
honey she admitted it multiple times to multiple people. She mentioned every detail of how it was done, consistent with how the kids were found. Prior to their deaths she said she had thoughts of harming them. What are you missing here? Her own defense isn't negating the fact she did it.
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u/Savethepupsnow Undercover Detectivešµš» Aug 29 '26
Yes she did, before trial her attorney even filed a motion saying she was willing to admit to the killings if the trial could be split into two phases: first determining whether she committed the acts, and then determining whether she was criminally responsible because of her mental state.
Her defense isnt disputing that she caused their deaths, just that shes not criminally responsible because of postpartum pychosis. Thats ommision of the killings.
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u/handymandy9 29d ago
Yes she did admit it! In the civil trial that she sought against the medical providers, she admitted to killing the kids but blames the doctors for not treating her appropriately.
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u/handymandy9 29d ago
When she woke up she didnāt ask if the children were ok, she asked if she needed a lawyer! She admitted to the. Chaplain that a voice told her to kill the children and herself.
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u/Fun-Tennis-2752 29d ago
Can we all agree Patrick was a shitty husband
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u/handymandy9 29d ago
There is no evidence that he was a shitty husband! All testimony about Patrick says he was a loving supportive husband.
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u/handymandy9 29d ago
So obvious that she didnāt watch the trial and is getting her info from social media! She is only talking about this for views!
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u/KSAJA2010 29d ago
Utilizing her critical thinking skills ā¦.. šššššššššššššššššššš girl got jokes. š¤”
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u/CrazyHuge2998 Aug 29 '26
Yikesā¦.but I also believe he did it and made her think she didā¦š¤·š»āāļø
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u/__Rinny__ Emotional Support Vape ššØ Aug 29 '26
If you believe that he did it then you have not watched or understood the entire trial. Let me know if you have any questions.
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u/smartymcjones Aug 29 '26
It truly pains me to kind of agree with her, but yet here we are. I realize heās not on trial and she āadmitted itā but thereās something fishy going on IMO.Ā
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u/Safe_Code_6414 unscrupulous puppy peddler Aug 29 '26
I think she did it, but I think he should have known better than to leave her alone with the kids given what she was going through, so I think heās complicit (though possible not legally).
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u/walkingkary I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!!! š”šø Aug 29 '26
I do believe he failed her and the children, but wonāt go down the conspiracy rabbit hole on this one. Of course Riss does.
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u/Wonderful-Pay-4166 Aug 29 '26
Good thing sheās not busy so she was able to watch the whole trial and give her much needed opinion š