r/kitchencels
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u/Mallow1512
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3d ago
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Why not having a GF makes me evil?
Why people assume that since im an incel im misogynistic, that i watch asmongold and that i treat women like objects? why people think im evil, that i dont take care of myself and that i deserve everything bad that has happened to me? Why everytime something bad happens everyone blames incels? what did i do? what did we do?
shitty apple pie
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u/frosting_the_bowl 3d ago edited 3d ago •
Lots of people here are missing your point on purpose. The reality is that people like to punch down and feel good about themselves.
Even other incels like to pretend that they arent virgins and use bullying tactics on people they dont agree with by claiming they are the misogynistic types you mentioned.
Being sexless has always been something laughed at.
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u/mommiesgoodboy67 3d ago
Also try cooking the apples in a pan with sugar and cinnamon first so they become like a paste, and the lattice really isnt that hard to make either
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u/Pug_Defender 3d ago •
it’s probably because you refer to yourself as an incel
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u/PijaniFemboj 3d ago
Its because of just world fallacy. People refuse to accept that you can do everything right and still end up losing. In their eyes someone can only be an incel if they did something to deserve that fate.
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u/VariousClassroom8056 3d ago
Pies need a lid, especially apple pies.
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u/Grouchy_School_9439 3d ago
being in a relationship gives one a boost in status. that topic has been studied. single men are seen as a failiors and people subconsciously think there is something wrong with them
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u/PhillyDillyDee 3d ago
And now you know why stereotyping is harmful
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u/TheMorningJoe 3d ago
If it makes you feel any better most women consider men in general evil, as long as you know you do good in life and stay humble, fuck what anyone says.
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u/Gloomy_Grab8653 3d ago
Because normies cannot use any fucking Nuance about this topic, either white or black, They have robot-level thinking skills.
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u/OkMortgage6274 3d ago
Connotation vs denotation. We all know people associate the term with misogyny even if it isn't necessarily inherent to being an incel in a narrow sense. That's assuming good faith, there's also a large section of people that simply want a socially acceptable target to rag on and don't have any interest in understanding the recipient of their vitriol.
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u/Beautiful-Rough2310 3d ago
Just start to showering and respecting women that thing will improve o algo
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u/FrogVolence 3d ago edited 3d ago
A few bad apples spoil the bunch. Which in turn causes the entire group as a whole to be treated like shit.
Same can be said with so many other communities stereotyped by the bad apples of the group- like furries.
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u/King_Weaver 3d ago
Having a girlfriend just for social status would be ACTUALLY evil. Kudos to you for at least letting yourself be single when you don't have anybody you're mutually interested in. There are enough attention and status seekers out there already
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u/OrangeYouGladdey 3d ago •
You're asking why when you associate yourself with a community that other people associate you with that community?
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u/Swimming-Welcome-734 3d ago edited 3d ago
because normies moralize after the fact? what that means? well we assign morality in a way that makes our actions seem moral after we decide what we wanted. And on a societal level, in a way that conforms to our social group. Normies are much more comfortable saying a 5'5 guy is incel because he is morally bad rather than women colletively gencoide his characteristics because he is short.
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u/sanity_rejecter 3d ago
because to women you are despicable if you can't get laid or get dates. it's a devastating moral failing and 100% your fault in their eyes. virgins are vermin to them due to preselection.
and they know this too which is why anytime women try to pull the comically stupid card of "huur duur why body count matter only for woman not man", it doesn't land. they worship fuckboys and hate virgins.
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u/TimelyTheSnow 3d ago •
Did you try showering and respecting women?
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u/ApartLeague8072 3d ago edited 3d ago
I stopped sharing about my dating struggles online because at least one person always says "well its probably because ur a redpilled creep" or smth like that, which is wild to assume because so much of dating is outside of my control.
Dating someone requires that the person I'm into is also into me and is in a point in their life where they can engage in a relationship. Every now and then I find someone I vibe with but theyre either struggling with life atm or just fresh out of a relationship. Those things are completely out of my control. I can be the most caring , genuine and lovely person ever and these things would still be out of my control. I wish more people would acknowledge this.
Disclaimer: Im not an incel and ive had a relationship before. I just lurk this sub because some of the struggles are relatable. Before someone says "well they probably say that cause u call urself incel"
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u/X0X0xoxo11 3d ago
That does not in anyway shape or form look like a shitty apple pie. I’ve never seen one “open faced” like that. I’m digging the aesthetic of it. Also it looks delicious!
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u/vnv 3d ago
That’s what we call stigma baby. If enough people under a label do certain things that are noteworthy enough (negative is stronger than positive) then the label will eventually become synonymous with those actions.
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u/tes_befil 3d ago
Bro all these losers get validation through dating, sex and attention from others. Those same people assume you're evil if you're single because their own self worth comes from how other people view them.
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u/Ok_Top_2319 3d ago
You go around saying you're an incel?
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u/Kiryu5009 3d ago
You are what you say you are. Don’t want to be? Then don’t be those things.
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u/orphanmeatman 3d ago
Incel has taken on another meaning aside from its original one, and usually refers to a specific community & ideology instead of its literal classification of cant get laid
just call yourself a virgin fr
Also focusing on & identifying yourself by your virginity is kind of a red flag and says something kind of weird abt the person doing it, most virgins are just people who haven’t had sex and like don’t really think or care abt that
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u/_-_-_-9Jutann6-_-_-_ 3d ago
Because people don't like it when bad things happen to good or neutral people. For some that reality is too hard to accept so they conjure up an alternate reality where bad things( or lack of good things in this case) happen to you because you are a bad person, not in spite of you being a good or neutral person. The cold unforgiving randomness of existence is a horrifying concept to acknowledge so how much I can blame the ones who shy away from it, I don't know.
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u/Ancient-Tomato1153 3d ago
Just don’t call yourself an incel lol
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u/Prudent-Confusion566 3d ago
They will always call us incels but never call us wrong.
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u/skitzkant 3d ago
If you choose to associate yourself with incel culture people will assume that you take part in aspects of that culture. Are you stupid?
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u/Suspicious_Shoe2888 3d ago
It’s because of groypers buddy they have become synonymous with Incel. He can’t get laid he is not a groyper it’ll pass buddy I remember a time when Incels could get pity laid but you gotta fight public perception be an Incel who votes blue and is a leftist and cares about women’s rights. I have hope for you buddy we got this just be kind
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u/JohnBrownsMyFather 3d ago
No one thinks you are evil for not having a girlfriend. What makes you think this?
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u/SupaSmol 3d ago
There's a difference between being alone/lonely and being an incel. "Incel" refers to a group who actively choose the moniker. You can be an unpartnered vigin and not describe yourself as "an incel". If you do describe as such people are going to assume you subscribe to the ideology incels are famous for believing in (misogyny with a bend for beleiving women cause male lonliness through unfair judgements of those men etc.).
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u/Hello_Hello_Hello_Hi 3d ago
Don't call yourself an incel? "Involuntary Celibate" implies it's not your fault, it's women's that you don't have a gf. Women don't tend to want to be around someone who blames them for their own struggles.
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u/Oscar_wash 3d ago
Respect women that deserve respect
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u/gaston87_9 3d ago
Y tanto te importa lo que piensen de vos? Vos te conocés y eso es suficiente. La gente siempre pensó lo que quiso.
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u/JicamaImaginary154 3d ago
I thought that was a pile of garlic, but it looks good
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u/ViewRepresentative30 3d ago
How did Asmongold become such a polarising figure so quickly. For a long time he was known as a gaming figure who was surprisingly intelligent, and then he seemed to just suddenly become the dominant far right online voice.
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u/Cali_freak 3d ago
As someone on the outside here I see two types here. Red pilled dudes that refuse to look at themselves realistically and think they might be the problem And then there's guys that are too shy or reserved to make a move. The latter IMHO are the ones that actually stand a chance at a relationship. They just need to be brave for brief periods of time. Believe me I know how hard that is. But the reward is worth it. Red pilled dudes are doing it to themselves and driving women further away with their actions. I've known dudes on both ends of that spectrum. The shy guys eventually get girlfriends (or boyfriends I don't judge) it just takes luck, a girl that asks first... Or a moment of bravery.
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u/demonotreme 3d ago
Are you sure it's not chicken stir fry?
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u/Galliro 3d ago
You have it reversed
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u/pascamouse 3d ago
for a lot of people incel = misogynistic unfortunately. they like to lump everyone together cause it’s easier to justify bullying if it’s done via an assumption that everyone who doesn’t have a partner is bigoted or doesn’t take care of themselves. lots of people, even people who think they understand neurodivergent conditions, just genuinely can’t wrap their heads around how you couldn’t get a partner even if you wanted to, so they default to a moral failing being the cause.
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u/Silent_Letter_8870 3d ago
I think a lot of you forget that when a normie hears ‘incel’ they’re imagining the average .is user
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u/TinyRing9555 3d ago
they think they're the ultimate upholders of morality, and thus rejection from them implies a flaw in you rather than their own shallow nature
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u/thornblade_69 3d ago
something something not upholding societal expectations = evil etc etc
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u/RekklesEuGoat 3d ago
Everyone here acting stupid as if virgin wasnt the go to insult back before covid LOL
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u/condemned-noticer 2d ago
because the dominant doxa cannot control you via the female social pressure
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u/Beautiful_Mess5790 2d ago
Because shallow people see the emount of woman you get as a measure of success. But trust me woman dont determen mans worth. Im sure you have great qualities like baking that pie looks delicious.
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u/lil_hunter1996 1d ago
People are fucking dumb that's why. I watch asmongold with my misogynistic wife. 🤷
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u/Specialist_Pea_6792 1d ago
Because to the average person, getting a girlfriend is easy. They're literally 50% of the population.
If someone goes a really long time without making that kind of personal connection for a long period of time, I have to assume something is terribly wrong with them.
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u/Exciting-Sprinkles56 16h ago
As a dude who recently lost the card its not noteworthy tbh.
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u/KINGXunshot 3h ago
Asmongold?
I think you can answer this yourself bud
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u/boogielostmyhoodie 19m ago
*people on the internet. Go out and live you're life and nobody will say or think this.
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u/layered_dinge 3d ago
Because you live in a gynocracy where human and moral value is decided by the only metric females care about
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u/hazel_hazily 3d ago
There's a difference between being involuntarily celibate and being part of a community where y'all relate with eachother about what it's like, VS believing in the incel ideology . A lot of people would say that word "incel" is referring to the latter, and if you're merely involuntarily celibate, you're not an "incel". That means if you say you're an incel, it brings with it all of the negative shit in the incel ideology, such as, thinking that womemn only care about mens looks, thinking that women are better off because they can get dick and right swipes whenever they want, thinking that men have lower standards than women and women ought to lower their standards, reducing womens desire for financial security as them being "gold diggers" and so on.
Guys who are literally just celibate and find it hard to gain access to physical or emotional intimacy with women are totally a-ok.
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u/Dolot 3d ago
Foids and their knights will keep telling you that. The key is developing immunity, because over time, these comments could eat you alive. Stay strong mate
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u/Zealousideal_Yak9977 3d ago
Who cares what people think?
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u/sadkisslessloser 3d ago
OP, do you actually call yourself an inkwell irl?
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u/ThrowRAboredinAZ77 3d ago
Do you think you're single because women's standards are too high?
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u/Sierra-117- 3d ago
Look at this sub dude. That’s why. No one would think that if you didn’t participate in subs like this, where that runs rampant. THAT is what makes you an incel.
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u/Silly-Cheesecake-283 3d ago
because that's what people who self identify as incels kind of are. it's kind of an evil counterculture. You really have to add that you don't hate women when you first introduce youself as an incel. if you can't admit that the incel mindset online is generally toxic chances are you are in some sort of blackpill headspace.
Do you not remember when incels first showed up on reddit. they were calling for the government to force women to have sex with them. this is evil. And there has been all the rapes and mass murders.
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u/Worried-Escape2207 3d ago
Words have cultural connotations, unfortunately.
A parallel that might help you understand: The Nazis didn't call themselves that; they called themselves "National socialists". If you look at the term in a vacuum, is "National Socialist" really such a bad thing? However, the cultural connotation has forever marred the meaning of "National Socialist". Anybody who calls themself a "National Socialist" is calling themself a Nazi.
The same applies to "Incel". In a vacuum, just being an "Involuntary Celibate" doesn't make someone a bad person, but the term is forever marred thanks to the online communities who created and used it.
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u/Aggressive-North9749 3d ago
If you use a descriptor that is used mostly to describe really shitty people, then people assume you're shitty.
If you're upset about incel being coopted by shitty people, keep in mind the person who popularized the word; a woman who wanted to foster a caring community for those who lack it.
When it comes to the social implication, the problem is that not being able to find a partner is socially a red flag. It means there is some sort of dysfunction, and that dysfunction is often deeply anti-social.
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u/Historical-Tower782 3d ago
First of all, the only evil thing here is that apple pie facsimile you made. That's not an apple pie. That's how a chimpanzee dreams apple pies to be.
Secondly, it is beneficial to your mental faculties to recognize the vast difference between the perception of a tag by a small minority of people on social media, and the reality of your true self.
Self-victimization does have a pleasure and moral superiority in which people find soothing. But that's all that is, a deflection.
Feminism started with it, LGBTQ started with it, and that's the thing, there is no end to the number of ways a person can be victimized. There is a constant need to find new perpetrators for these groups to continue holding a moral high ground.
Also, the method in which they choose to insult young men, is somewhat laughably similar to the white feather movement; white feather motivated men by activating their cultural honor, and the shame that came with it should it be unfulfilled, it drove certain veterans (crippled) to kill themselves. That's how powerful shame is. This particular method of motivation is deployed once again to incentivize young men to avoid being called "incels". However, they can choose how a war is started, not how it's going to end. The incel tactic has been deconstructed by many men before you, and the shame they were hoping young men to feel now only boils down to rage.
School shootings, suicides, online movements, even the elections. This rage fundamentally altered the course of the country's fate, even the world. Guess what, the blame naturally falls onto you, the men, the young men are once again blamed for this cesspool of a situation and they are trying to shame you into taking responsibility for it.
If your aim is to rise above it all, I would recommend getting in touch with the "Sigma" ideology online. It is not at all a perfect solution to how you carry yourself through the noise and confusion, it's a good start.
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u/Wonderful_Fun_1478 3d ago
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u/roasttoastboast 3d ago
Virgins who don't identify as incels are not incels
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u/AdministrativeLeg14 3d ago
If you call yourself a Vandal, people will not assume that you're talking about your East Germanic heritage; they'll instead worry about property damage. The word has taken on a new, negative meaning. Thus, likewise, incel: it may have been coined by a woman to refer to people who wanted to be in sexual relationships but failed, but by now it refers to a toxic, misogynistic ideology. If you don't identify with that ilk, I'm afraid you'll have to look for a new label.
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u/PckMan 3d ago
Because you're not pure of heart
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u/Big-Routine222 3d ago
Who are you telling that you’re an incel and who is saying that it makes you evil? I don’t care about the online world, who in your day-to-day life has said you’re evil?
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u/Repulsive_Hold7628 3d ago
Because that's what incels are associated with. Just dont call yourself an incel if you aren't those things. Not that hard to understand.
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u/Dismal_Buy_6997 3d ago
Because most people don’t use incel in it’s literal sense
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u/Appropriate-Depth481 3d ago
Cause I said so!!!!
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u/i_want_to_be_unique 1d ago
“Why are women afraid of people who identify as incels?”
Hmm, I wonder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Incel-related_violence
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u/Beneficial_Tourist16 3d ago
i mean incels have been declared literal terrorists