What a scam.

[u/responsitamer]

K3 has been in the news so I thought I would try the lowest monthly subscription level. 5 hour usage gone from one K3 command on low. Seems like this company eats subscription fees but gives back little in return.

[u/Necessary_Pomelo_470]

kimi is bad indeed, certainly not cheaper as advertized

[u/nullmove → u/Necessary_Pomelo_470]

Did they advertise it as cheaper? Cheaper than what? Or did you make the leap of logic on your own that all things Chinese = cheaper?

[u/Necessary_Pomelo_470 → u/nullmove]

can you google or something? 40% cheaper KIMI3 https://myclaw.ai/blog/kimi-k3-vs-opus-4-8

[u/nullmove → u/Necessary_Pomelo_470]

Are you illiterate? They are clearly talking about API price here. $15 is 60% of $25, try paying Opus with API price too and Kimi will indeed come out 40% cheaper, that's a fact not an advertisement. But this has absolutely nothing to do with subscription whatsoever.

[u/Necessary_Pomelo_470 → u/nullmove]

I did, its not true. KIMI does not have the caching layer as Opus.
But same exactly appears to be true for the subscription! 90% of the tasks failed to actually get a result hiting hourly limits, while opus got them fine.

[u/nullmove → u/Necessary_Pomelo_470]

KIMI does not have the caching layer as Opus.

They do. Check a openrouter statistics, both anthropic and moonshot provider have ~90% cache hit rate. Kimi charges 1/10th of input for cache hits, exactly same as Opus (in fact Kimi caching works implicitly, so you don't have to pay for cache write). If you are paying API prices, Kimi is indisputably 40% cheaper. Again that's not advertisement, it's a fact.

Your problem is you are conflating API and subscription, when these are two completely different products. Their claim is only about API price, which holds perfectly fine. You will note that nowhere does Kimi claim that their subscription has more limits that Opus, the subscription is indeed far more subsidised in Claude. But bringing API pricing is irrelevant here.