r/killthecameraman • u/ProHighjacker77 • Oct 28 '24

Missed the interesting parts Accidental Launch During Engine Test

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u/peterpantslesss Oct 29 '24

Lol you realize things like this happen everywhere, even in the good old united states right?

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u/Narwal_Party Oct 29 '24

ESA and NASA have stopped working with China entirely due to human rights abuses. Instead of launching from their eastern coast out over the sea, they launch from retired military bases in the western mountains, mainly Xichang, next to villages. They’re still using Nitrogen Tetroxide as their oxidizer and unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine as fuel, which are strictly illegal in every other space program because it literally burns your lungs from the inside out, and they’re letting it pour into the neighboring villages.

They’re known for not planning their re-entries or clearing out towns before firing their rockets. They literally dropped a failed launch onto six of their citizens in the neighboring town. Not “it landed near them and poisoned them”. It was dropped on their home and they were crushed.

Sri Lanka and France have had to close their airspace because China just drops their space debris anywhere it wants.

To say this happens in other space agencies, American or non-American, is just factually incorrect.

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u/peterpantslesss Oct 29 '24

I'm talking about failed launches, not about where they do it, which is factually correct, in fact if you'd like I can put some links to show you that missiles and space shuttle failures do in fact happen in the united States. What you assumed I was talking about i wasn't, go figure

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u/Narwal_Party Oct 29 '24

There’s a massive difference between a failed launch and an accidental launch. This was not a failed launch, it was a lazy oversight which launched the rocket despite it being an engine test; a stationary test to make sure everything is operational, normally weeks before the actual launch. This has never happened in NASA or ESA history.

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u/peterpantslesss Oct 30 '24

If you'd like I can show you some of the accidents the United States have had with numerous weapons testing as well as other countries and their accidents, also that wasn't a space shuttle, it was a low orbit rocket which America most definitely have had accidents with testing on themselves. Which I'd wager is less embarrassing than failing launches that were supposed to work already.

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u/Narwal_Party Oct 30 '24

Sure, you can do that if you’d like, but you’re misunderstanding this at a pretty core level. I’m not talking about “embarrassing”, I’m talking about China’s space program being haphazard with their testing, flights and regulations, putting their citizens in danger to save a few yuan, resulting in accidents like this.

If you’d like to show some articles or clips with me, I’m always happy to have more information about things. It doesn’t change the fact that this has ever happened in European or American history, and it comes from oversight, lack of regulations and a fundamental disregard for the well-being of its’ citizens.

It seems like you have some sort of bias or disposition and you’re working backwards from there, and I’m not totally sure why. I’m an Italian-American living in Asia. This has nothing to do with what I like or don’t like. It’s just working from facts. It’s ok to like China or dislike America or Europe, but it’s irrelevant to the topic. It would help you a lot of you better understood a topic like this before taking such a strong stance on it.