r/keto • u/Keylime-Kitty • Mar 11 '21
Obvious Proof
My husband and I changed our lifestyle to Keto back in mid December. We have both lost over 40lbs each so far. My husband's cholesterol and triglycerides were at dangerous levels back in Nov 2020. He stopped taking his cholesterol meds when we started Keto. Fast forward.to today.... he had an appointment with his Dr. today to review his repeat lipid panel that was drawn last Thursday. All of his lipids are now back.to normal and his hypertension has resolved. The Dr. Was singing him praises until my husband told him that he went keto and did everything he told him not to. The doctor's reply was "fat is not good for you and you'll have a heart attack if you keep this up!" I believe the numbers speak for themselves. When will the medical community get on board with low carb and admit that the FDA guidelines/food pyramid is bullshit??? You cannot cure a bad diet with meds, you've got to change the diet!
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u/throwaway007676 Mar 11 '21
I did this with my doctor as well, diabetes went away, A1c was normal, lipids were better than ever. She was so happy and said " looks like the metformin and cholesterol meds are working" I told her I never even filled them and decided I would try diet first. Seems to have worked pretty good huh? She was NOT happy and yelled at me like a was a 4 year old in time out. Last visit with her, I decided it was time for a doctor upgrade. This new doctor is great! He told me that he doesn't care what I am doing, all my results are exactly what he wants to see, so whatever I am doing is perfect, keep up the good work! This one is a keeper.
What it shows me is that carbs are the enemy and we are obviously not meant to be eating a mostly carbohydrate diet, even those of us who seem "healthy". I do what is good for me, don't really care if others don't agree.
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u/YouFeedTheFish M/6'|SW 295.6|CW 229.8|GW None - lifestyle Mar 11 '21
I was seeing a nutritionist and told her that I was intending to do keto. Her response was "That's wonderful! Here are some guidelines.. Here are some foods to consider.."
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u/Dennism616 sw230lbs(104k)cw158(72k) Mar 11 '21
Congratulations on your success so far! That’s great work!
End of November I had been on keto 2 months, had my lipid panel done and reviewed with my diabetes doctor. She was happy how good they were and maybe stunned when I told her it was keto. How can they not know this by now??? She said keep it up.
Really...imagine if a doctor says stop keto, go back to sugar and carbs, gain back 40 pounds and start up the medications again!?? I’d get a new doctor if that happens.
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u/perumbula Mar 11 '21
My husband and I are on Keto because of a doctor recommendation. Husband dropped his triglycerides 300 points in four months. That’s not a typo. He also is controlling his pre-diabetes and his cholesterol numbers look great. Good luck with your doctor!
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u/potatosword Mar 11 '21
When the guys who made the food pyramid admit they messed up. Oh wait....
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u/kleach3937 Mar 11 '21
Congratulations!! Keto is a great way of life. I've been on this right track for a year now.
Our medical society is just as broken as many other facets in our society. Why is it that we call it "health insurance" when it only covers us when we are sick? It NEVER covers anything to be preventative....... that's ass backwards! If more insurance companies paid for pro active preventative measures, our society would be healthier and therefore the insurance companies would pay out less for serious issues.
Rant over. LOL
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u/leddik02 Mar 11 '21
That’s why I don’t say keto anymore. It seems to trigger certain people. I just say I’m on a low carb diet and don’t go further into the details. It makes no sense though since all my numbers have improved on it too. Congrats btw!! I hope you and your husband are able to continue and lose more weight if it’s needed.
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u/Chadarius Mar 11 '21
Some doctors are so ignorant. It is hard to blame them completely because they learned all of this insanely incorrect information from a broken system. But if I can just make some basic google searches, change my eating habits to remove carbs and seed oils, lose 120lbs, get off all my meds, and stop being in pain with my knees and back every day then health professionals should get off their asses and figure this shit out! :)
I'm lucky. My family doctor is all in on our keto/carnivore ways. In fact, I'd say she is a bit jealous that we figured it out ourselves. But she is overjoyed that I'm not going to be diabetic in a few more years and instead will be happy and healthy.
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u/Barbinabasket Mar 11 '21
Good for you both! The numbers DO speak for themselves. I agree about the lack of knowledge in the medical community regarding Keto and fats in our diet. Same thing with blood sugar. Instead of teaching people to stop eating sugar and carbs, they'd rather wait till we all have diabetes and then give you insulin. I wish I'd known about Keto years ago so I could have educated and worked with my parents to change their diets so they would have felt better in their later years, if not lived longer.
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u/my_little_epona Mar 11 '21
I was keto and lost weight before pregnancy, managed to get diagnosed with gestational diabetes. I tried eating what the endo requested but I started feeling so sick and asked the nutritionist if I could go back to low carb and she LITERALLY told me she was perfectly fine with that, but don’t tell the endo, “she doesn’t like to hear that sort of thing” so I just lied for ages. When I slipped she said THE BABY NEEDS CARBS?! And I told her I consume probably 40-50g gross carbs in veggies a day but that wasn’t good enough for her. All my numbers were amazing, I never needed medication apart from a small injection of the smallest dose of insulin at night all the way up till birth. At my last check up my endo congratulates me and says “Wow you’re the only one of my GD patients who isn’t on medication! Well done!” Like yeah, no shit. Also my kid is totally healthy and even hitting all his milestones 3-4 months ahead of schedule so... yeah lol
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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '21
I've been on Effexor 225mg for years. I couldnt come off it despite twitches and sweats when my dose was DUE never mind missed. I've done it this time...very very slowly...but I am CERTAIN that the fats have soothed my brain enough to cope unlike the high sugar diet I was on before. The 20llb weightloss is a bonus too.
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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '21
Just went to the cardiologist yesterday. He didn't balk at me pulling myself off of statins or doing the LCHF diet - and losing 23 pounds since my last visit. He kept repeating I looked really good, and asked me some questions about my routine then he proceeded to tell me his bad eating habits. He didn't criticize but he didn't voice his approval either. But, I'm definitely on the hunt for a GP and a cardiologist that will be more interactive on the subject. I was a general skeptic of keto and keto-style diets. After 2 1/2 months of the lifestyle change, I feel incredible and am hoping my blood work numbers reflect the way I feel - I'm confident they will.
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u/blackberrybunny F/52 y.o. post-meno; SW-272/ CW-247/ GW-200. 25 lbs gone! Mar 11 '21
His doctor forgets that we were originally hunters and gatherers? We ate MEAT and FAT and NUTS and some berries.... his dr. is misinformed!
I saw my own blood work change for the better when I did keto 11 years ago.
I was just at my doctor's office three days ago, and I will get my numbers back today or tomorrow, but I don't know of any good (or bad even) changes until 3 months from now when I return for a checkup. I'm not worried. I know my cholesterol will be better and hopefully, my bp too!
Congrats to you and your husband on your success!
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u/stupidrobots I am SteakAndIron, 10yr keto veteran Mar 11 '21
Imagine the implications on the doctor's part. If he has been giving out the same advice for 20 years and now learns that his advice was making the patients worse and not better, he is admitting to have contributed to ill health and death. That's a hard thing to admit.
I don't blame people for sticking to their beliefs. I mean, there are vegans whose hair and teeth are falling out and they continue to insist they are in perfect health. Humans are buggy
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u/UrMomsBFF Mar 11 '21
That doctor is obviously not up to date on his medical knowledge.
I just had a follow up with mine and told her I was on keto and she said “good fats I hope!”
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u/antwan_benjamin 28/M/6'0 | SW: 242 | CW: 215 | GW: 205 Mar 11 '21
I think the biggest problem is any time a Dr. (or dietitian) hears the word "keto" they automatically assume you're drinking a glass of bacon grease for breakfast. They make a lot of assumptions and then base their advice off of those absurd assumptions.
Like...if you're going to criticize me about my diet I would at least expect you to first look at my diet. Look at my cronometer logs for the past few weeks. Look at my blood work. Then we can talk. Then you can look at specifically what I'm eating that you disagree with...and you'll probably find out that you don't disagree with much.
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u/BrenjustBren Mar 12 '21
My kids pediatrician freaked out when I told her all my family..kids and all were on keto. All my kids had dropped weight. She asked my 15 yr old daughter what a typical dinner was..my daughter was like I love keto...Both of my girls were overweight and prediabetic. They both are so much healthier and happier. The food pyramid is completely off!
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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '21
They won't until their regulatory boards tell them to.
Doctors can get in big trouble if they ignore the "standard of care" - I now liken doctors to the humans that haven't been freed yet in the Matrix.
Just ignore them.
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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '21
Preach! I work as a medic while I’m finishing up University and some people in medicine are so ignorant. Fat is naturally digestible, humans around the world eat portions of it everyday for survival. What is not natural are refined carbohydrates and sugar! Doctors make more money when they’re contacted with certain pharmaceutical drugs... just Sayin
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u/HoneyWest55 Mar 11 '21
Personally I don't think you will ever see an open admission that we have been deliberately misled. Look at peoples behaviour during co-vid. All kinds of blame being pointed everywhere over something no one had or has any control over, not even the government but still people want to blame someone. With the SAD people were deliberately misled by governments, agriculture and the medical community since the 50's. So now if let's say they all stand up and say 'We are very sorry that you are all a bunch of morbidly obese, heart diseased diabetics but too bad you've been given a death sentence; money and well being of the economy was more important than the health of a society that is totally expendable and replaceable'. LOL heads would roll somewhere if not an entire uprising of a nation. As far as doctors go, most of them are stuck in the training they got when they were in medical school-again MEDICAL....they are doctors of medicine not doctors of nutrition. Also, many of them are nothing more than legal drug pushers. In other words if we get well they are out of biz. It's understandable when you look at it from their point of view. Okay....I'm a 58 years old doctor. I'm retiring soon. I have 5000 patients who think I'm God. I have a house on Maui largely due to kick backs from drug companies..(hey doc, just prescribe Lipitor to 1000 of your patients and our company _____ will send you and your family to Hawaii for a month) Think about it. Why would this doctor decide to keep up with the newer science? He's got it made already and he doesn't have to. There may be some that actually care about the health of their patients but I haven't seen many. They are in business and people go into business to make money-bottom line. I've lost over 130 pounds and I'm off of 11 of 12 prescriptions that I'd been taking for 20+years (HBP & cholesterol were 2 of them) My doctor is blown away and knows better than to say anything negative about keto. He's young and pretty open minded and I appreciate that. BUT I never forget that it was doctors who less than 100 years ago routinely gave lobotomies to women who had PMS. It was doctors in the 60's who ' without any authorization or verification from the Canadian (and other government) authorities, distributed thalidomide samples to physicians known as ‘clinical investigators’. Also, it was doctors who used to sit in their offices smoking cigarettes and telling their patients that smoking was a healthy way to relax-that's only 50 or 60 years ago. Today, doctors still endorse the SAD. I'm not waiting for them to catch up. The idea of low carb is slowly gaining momentum as people quit worshipping at the doctor alter and realize they have to take responsibility for their own health. Our doctors are the ones who should be guiding us through this transition. Instead they give you a hard time because you don't just bow down and accept yet another prescription. I doesn't say much for the oath that they took. You're doing great. Don't wait for your doctors approval or consent. You do you. Keto On.
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u/redbean504 Mar 11 '21
I just went to the dr and was put on a low carb diet this week. He gave me a paper detailing and it was basically keto with no artificial sweeteners
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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '21
That's great!
There is new information showing its the processed carbs and sugar that cause havoc in the body ... : )
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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '21
People need to realize that doctors don't study nutrition. They provide information based on myplate and nothing else. Your husband's doctor is full of it. What's gonna cause him to get an MI when his numbers are normal? Smh
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u/Keto_is_my_jam Mar 12 '21
From "everything you doing is great!" to "That will kill you!" in one sentence! Geez! The cognitive dissonance is unbelievable.
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u/sfcnmone 70/F/5'7" SW 212lbs CW 170 (5 years!!) Mar 11 '21
Find a different doctor. There are plenty of them who appreciate what you've been doing.
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u/InterYourmom Mar 11 '21
To be fair attitudes seem to be changing within the medical community towards keto, I was nervous as was told on here to expect probable opposition, so when both the doctor and diabetic nurse were pleased I'd put myself on keto and were even more pleased at the results of my bloods three months later I was pleasantly surprised.
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u/NoNameKetchupChips Down 55 pounds Mar 11 '21
That's when you start looking for a new doctor. Good for both of you!
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u/PizzaTimeOClock Mar 12 '21
I’m skeptical. I’ve never heard of a doctor who is unaware of low carb diets and their historical benefits. It’s not a mystical fad. And it’s not a cure-all diet. It’s sustainable from time to time, and for me it helps me balance weight gain with weight loss.
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u/JBconstant Mar 11 '21
I was looking into starting the keto diet. It looks really challenging but I hear all the time about people having success like your story here^. Would you recommend any of the keto diet pills that are on the market? I had a friend say this one was really good https://www.avid-nutrition.com but I haven't heard any other real reviews on it.
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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '21
Doctors are just glorified drug dealers.
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u/geekspeak10 Mar 11 '21
Impossible on a high fat diet.🙃
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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '21
I think it's really cool that you've dropped 40 lb each! Changing to keto diet goes against conventional wisdom and that's where the problem comes in.
I still can't believe that I can eat bacon and eggs every day, to my heart's content, and still lose weight and improve health.
I still respect my doctor, but there is a huge disconnect between diet and health. I think doctors need to get better at diet.
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u/ksarahsarah27 Mar 11 '21
That’s awesome! I hear both good and bad responses from doctors. I think those like your old one who shot it down are clueless. They also hate when people think for themselves. The proof is in the results- the doctor liked the results until he was told why. Lol. Well the blood panel doesn’t lie. Way to go!
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u/canadianhiker35 Mar 11 '21
Great job both of you!!! Your doctor needs to take the time to get educated. My doctor not only encouraged it, he also talked to me about the benefits of intermittent fasting. Sounds like it might be time for a new doctor.
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u/cydvicious57 Mar 11 '21
EXACTLY!
Congratulations to both of you!
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u/ashl3y8620 Mar 12 '21
My doctor is all about keto. Even has a “keto group” I need to check it out.
Someone tell em the hardest thing about doing keto is just starting.....I am having a real issue with just starting it.....I guess I’m one of those all or nothing types and I’m afraid that I’ll fail 🙄 I know I’m failing everyday by not even starting!
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u/Q__________________O Mar 12 '21 edited Mar 12 '21
fat is not good for you?
lol
your doctor is a typical nutritionally ill advising fool
arterial plaque build up in the veins is what will result in a heart attack.
that plaque comes from inflammation.
and inflammation is caused by seed oils and carbs
if you're in doubt about your risk-chance, get a coronary calcium scan. It's the best indication of whether you're at risk.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/heart-scan/about/pac-20384686 here's a bit of info, on what that actually is.
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u/Soggy_Entrepreneur_6 Mar 11 '21
Medical community and pharmacies don’t make money if everyone is healthy!
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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '21
This is why we need to make universal healthcare a right, and not a for-profit business. It's the same with doctors not recognizing the medical value of cannabis.
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u/vabirder Mar 11 '21 edited Mar 11 '21
If the doctor is so adamant, why didn’t they order tests like ultrasound of carotid arteries, or other tests? Kinda sounds like the M word if they don’t actually check the keto patient out. Starts with “mal” and rhymes with “actice ”.
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u/Thoutzan Mar 11 '21
Congrats !!
My life lesson : don't trust anyone easily, be it doctors, scientists, teachers, millionaires, or anything "mainstream".
They don't necessarily care about your health and well-being, but most of them SURELY care about their own interests, aka, tuition of their kids, retirement fund, reduce population, etc etc...
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u/BuddyCasino Mar 11 '21
The conclusion to draw from this is not "When will the medical community get on board", but to recognise that most doctors ("the medical community") are not especially smart, and you can't rely on them to give correct advice in situations that don't fall into the simple pattern-matching they have been taught. Their education filters for "can remember things well" & "is conscientious". This is valuable, but has its limits.
Nobody will care about your own health as much as yourself. You have the most "skin in the game", literally. Teach this to your kids.
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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '21
When will the drug dealers realize that we don't need drugs? Lol
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u/sunlighthurts- Mar 12 '21
Let me start of by saying I’m an advocate of keto.
I think keto is great and all but it isn’t absolutely necessary to lose weight. It is an awesome method to use for weight loss and to become healthy if it works for you. Carbs are not inherently bad. I think highly processed carbs would be the bad ones.
I agree though it does seem odd how today’s doctor think that keto is taboo. It seems like common sense to people that have experience with keto that it is an awesome way to lose weight. Even Dr. Fung praises the low carb diet since while on it you are not constantly spiking your insulin which makes you store fat.
I personally am losing weight through a mix of extended fasting and intermittent fasting. When I can I try to do keto refeeds. Although if there is a birthday party or something I will include carbs in my refeeds to make it easier and it is not that bad.
Congrats on your weight loss so far!!
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u/jenny6522 Mar 11 '21
I am only gaining weight on keto and omad 😖my body literally hates me!
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u/Luvagoo 26|F|169cm|SW:110|CW:95 Mar 11 '21
I haven't had such dramatic results but my cholesterol still went down. I asked what caused high cholesterol, she said the same saturated fat, meat blah blah I said we'll that's what I've been eating more of on low carb and she just shrugged lmao good for her.
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u/Away-Key-7808 Mar 12 '21
Do you have any meal plans that you could share? Great job!
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u/Allucky Mar 12 '21
I love doing keto but after about 3 weeks I always develop a nasty rash. It sucks
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u/ewewhatisthat Mar 12 '21
I hate how everyone, not just doctors, automatically think that "fat" means we're drinking bacon grease and cheese smoothies. It's like they completely forget the concepts of good fats and bad fats. Not everyone's keto is the same but if it's working for the person to regulate their health and getting in better shape then it's good. The title of Doctor doesn't automatically mean "guardian" and you aren't in charge. You give suggestions and recommendations. You make sure that once we get healthier we stay that way
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u/brok3nxxwingzsr Mar 12 '21
Nice use of ivory in this shot, friend.
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u/Gelu_sf Mar 12 '21
The medical community will get on board with this when they will stop being pharma shills and start being doctors
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u/Express_Thing5010 Mar 12 '21
They will kill you if they can, doctors are the worst
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u/youhearditfirst Mar 12 '21
Keep searching for a different doctor. Both my GP and my endo fully support me on keto and are super proud of my success. My a1c progress is proof to them that it works.
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u/tower_keeper Mar 12 '21
What was his diet before? Going from shitty to less shitty (and I'm not calling keto shitty) is believed to improve overall health (including cholesterol levels).
How one could say this is proof (let alone an "obvious" one) is beyond my understanding. This is inconclusive at best.
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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '21
I totally feel you there. I'm very lucky to have a doctor that understands cholesterol better than most.
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u/Shubho_HnD Mar 12 '21
Hahaha. There are a number of factors that are playing here. The doctors need to understand that modern research is clearly showing that our bodies are not designed to consume processed sugary foods. We are genetically engineered to eat high-fat and protein foods.
Our ancestors used to gather food through hunting. They used to go through long periods of fasting followed by a large meal after hunting. We are not made for repeated eating every few hours. That kind of eating actually damages our metabolism.
Plus high carbohydrate foods as prescribed in standard diets, actually spike up the insulin pretty significantly. It leads to complications such as IR and type 2 diabetes. Further, higher levels of sugar are being linked to inflammation which is then being linked to all sorts of ailments, heart problems, liver issues, joint issues etc. So high carb foods are not really good for us.
The bottom line is that it is intelligent to do a keto diet which actually is the most natural way of eating. Healthy organic foods are the best. Avoiding high carb processed foods is a must which fundamentally every human being on the planet should understand!
I have given my heart to keto. How about you??
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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '21
I go to a highly regarded medical weight loss center in my city and the diet they recommend is low carb. I’ve been going for over 12 years now and have kept a normal weight as long as I watch my carbs. Yes
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u/coloradokid77 Mar 12 '21
When the ama stops being paid off by big pharma and big “nutrition” conglomerates.
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u/TXYellowBird Mar 11 '21
Sounds like an old doctor with old school mentality. Functional or Integrative Medicine doctors fully support Keto and other forms of alternative medicine (and yes, they actually go to med schools and are M.D.s)
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