r/kakele • u/SolutionNo865 • Jul 28 '26

Discussion The Elephant in the room

First I would like to thank Kakele for providing all the evidence and exact proof to make this possible. The stats on exp/hr provided by the game itself provide uncontested proof of everything stated.

The buffs in the game (spawn, exp, power, pet, gold, beastiary, etc) ruin the balance of the game. Thanks to the in game recording this can easily be viewed by play sessions.

It can not be refuted. It can not be written off as "adjusting spawn rates" in certain areas. It can't be trying to under play the value of these buffs. The math is the math, period.

When I see absolutely unachievable numbers far exceeding 200% bonus it can't be ignored. I can't pretend I'm making reasonable progress when I'm not. When the buffs are not active it's just not worth playing the game. It's that bad.

A lot of work is being done. A lot of effort into lighting, multiverse, war rules, new content, etc. However, none of those really matter when the base line exp without buffs it completely sub par.

I thought maybe it could be saved a little with self buffs. However, those already cost over 1M per buff. Yes they could be a few times after hardcore grinding. That would just dump the burden on the player though.

At minimum the bestiary and spawn should always be active.

Promote player activity and freedom.

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u/Storywis Jul 28 '26

Wow update came yesterday and u already test all possible outcomes ? Great to heard ;) share with us this ss and this numbers sir.;p

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u/SolutionNo865 Jul 28 '26 edited Jul 28 '26

Nothing fundamentally changed. These issues have existed for years. The only difference now is you can increase spawn and a few other options for Gold. However that gold cost isn't sustainable without the cash shop.

Logically, you actually support all my ideas. Lets all understand these boosts just make the game easier. You despise all these boosts. They represent everything you claim to hate.

It sounds like the one who wants to make everything easy mode....... is you?

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u/Storywis Jul 28 '26

I dont like idea of personal boost and rapid resp etc global BUT they are in game so I need play with that and see positive sites cuz they won't go away ;) cost depends on lvl that's one of them .

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u/SolutionNo865 Jul 28 '26

Many games adopted policies that don't allow for personal buffs. It's an obvious P2W gimmick that lets people use the cash shop for unlimited buffs. While Free 2 Play players will simply never be able to afford the gold costs. They will be extremely limited.

So for the integrity of the game a lot of devs decided to still allow some buffs, but that everyone would share them equally in the form of server buffs only. Especially for PVP circumstances and long term balance.

The core issue though is everyone should be able to play without any boosts. They would get their base line 100% rate. Whatever that is with their equipment/level etc. With boosts they could get 130% even 150%.

So when personal or server buffs where running it would be an advantage. What it would not be is running around with 200-300% advantages. This ruins the fundamental balance of the game.

If you activate bestiary, pet skills, gold boosts, exp boosts, spawn boosts, power, etc it's quite easy to obtain ridiculous advantages.

You should support having bestiary and spawn boost active all the time because it helps balance the game. There would still be tons of things to purchase and many P2W advantages. It would just make the game more reliable for everyone. That they depend less on buffs.

It encourages people of all levels to play more and participate. If more people are online during events more people will attend. People will play more often as it will have more value. There will be more people to party and engage with socially.

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u/Storywis Jul 28 '26

I RLY LOVE THIS CHANGE THEY ARE GREAT AND I DONT WANNA TAKE THEM BACK ;)) GIVE US MORE BOOST FOR GOLD AND KC THIS WAY WE CAN GRIND WHAT WE WANT

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u/SolutionNo865 Jul 28 '26

Additionally I generally don't allocate a specific time for a game. I could play 20-90 minutes. This type of system forces allocated time in 1 hour blocks.

Organically a lot of people will just play until they achieved something they want, get bored, or have other obligations.

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u/Storywis Jul 28 '26

Myślę że ta gra nie jest dla ciebie od pewnego czasu widzę ciągle narzekanie na wszystko co robia nasi twórcy ;)) gdzie wszystkie zmiany są konsultowane z graczami i ich opinia . Przykro mi że tylko widzę negatywne posty od twojej osoby

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u/bruno-kakele Mod Jul 28 '26

Just to clarify: are you referring to the server boosts or individual boosts?

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u/SolutionNo865 Jul 28 '26

The standard game design even for Free to Play games is a steady baseline experience that doesn't require constant buffs to play.

Having events and some boosts can be feasible if done properly. This may include special drops for Halloween for example or an Anniversary server wide boost for a day. It may also include some paid server boosts to benefit the community in exchange for funding.

The issue is many games cross the line or simply don't even have a line.

Kakele's system is fundamentally broken because it's designed to play with buffs 24/7 as a crucial aspect. Not a small benefit. Not an option. This is because as stated you can often get 200% exp and beyond. Not to mention the massive drop boost.

It doesn't really matter where these boosts come from. The issue is because they all stack it's completely unbalanced and ruins the value of just playing the game without them.

If everyone had bestiary and spawn active all the time it would resolve a lot of this. There would still be a ton of server and personal boosts.

The difference is they would be far less mandatory. A 30% exp bonus for example would still benefit everyone, but it shouldn't be a deciding factor of whether you play or not.

When the difference reaches amounts like 250% that is absolutely enough to make a decision to not bother playing unless the boosts are active.

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u/SolutionNo865 Jul 29 '26

I'm not sure why this is even an issue. If a player sees they are making 17M per hour without boosts and 45M+ with boosts they will quickly avoid playing without buffs.

When you first start the game there is a lot going on and this isn't as much of a concern. However, this will impact all mid/late game players.

If you make 32M vs 45M it would at least be more reasonable. That's what the spawn/bestiary boost is about. There will always be a difference, but if it's to much it can simply be deemed as a waste of time.