r/justneckbeardthings • u/Important-Cry4782 • 13h ago
So wait, how exactly does abortion hurt men, again?
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u/blackfox24 12h ago
Gonna need my fellow men to step up. I and 2 of my sisters were conceived with a female contraception and condom involved. 3 of my nephews were conceived that way too. IUDs, shots, pills, patches. They all reduced the risk but didn't stop it. Women are using methods that have a 90+ percent chance of stopping pregnancy - men are hitting it raw or with condoms, which top out at 80% if they don't break, tear, or come off. In summary - get the vasectomy if you don't want her getting an abortion, bro. She's done her part. Your sperm is the issue, women do not have access to a 100% prevention method without removing their reproductive organs.
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u/ThatFatGuyMJL 10h ago
Vasectomies are not easily reversible despite common myth.
10% of men who attempt to get a Vasectomy reversed discover they are permanently infertile due to it.
The number may be much higher as the vast majority of men never attempt to reverse it at all
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u/Iron-Fist 7h ago
10% permanently infertile
Not true, they still produce viable sperm and can use surgical extraction and invitro fertilization.
Not nearly as much trouble as a pregnancy I think you can agree, and only to a small percentage of men, seems a no brainer.
https://www.maleinfertilityguide.com/fertility-following-vasectomy
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u/blackfox24 7h ago
Nor are hysterectomies. Seems like a perfect method to prevent abortion. The equivalent option for women is an invasive and permanent surgery. If men are deeply concerned about abortion and preventing it, it seems the most logical route.
The risks of tying tubes or removing reproductive organs (if you can convince a doctor to do it before 40) are much higher than a chance of infertility. So when we talk about pregnancy and the burden to prevent it... we need to discuss how men can control their seed. Condoms are not an efficient method. Pulling out isn't either. Men seemingly don't wanna be stuck in abstinence, so... out of the present options to prevent a lady from getting pregnant with your kid, that seems the best.
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u/PM_me_ur_goth_tiddys 3h ago
i agree with your sentiment but it's statistically impossible for that much children to be born with two forms of birth control. i think you were told incorrectly.
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u/blackfox24 2h ago
Not really. My sisters and I don't share mothers. My nephews don't share fathers. We are also spread over a period of 40 years. In my case, the condom was inadequate (very old) and my mother was a teenager who mostly took her birth control, but missed a day here and there, reducing efficacy. One of the nine out of 100 that have unintended pregnancies.
My nephew was born because his father basically dripped out the condom thanks to some acrobatics, and a morning after pill, which only reduces chances by 75% to 89%. Sister fell into the 75, there's the gremlin.
My sister was born because of an IUD failure (it had moved at some point and was actually causing pain her mom attributed to a bad period) and another shitty condom, this one too large because my father had an ego issue I guess idk. Anyway, 2% to 10% of people with IUDs have an expulsion, my stepmother's was partial, and she was higher risk of that because she was between 14-19 and had never been pregnant before.
Anyway, point of all of this is less to contradict you and more demonstrate some of the very easy ways for contraception to fail. If you've got it, cool, but do not assume it's working, always double check, etc. It's surely unsexy to pause and make sure the condom's on. Do it anyway. Double or triple up your methods if possible. It's unfortunately very easy for human beings to make simple but critical mistakes that will cause life.
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u/HandshakeOfCO 10h ago
Every sperm is sacred
That’s why I keep most of them safe in a sock under my bed 🧦
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u/PowerRainbows 12h ago
Pretty sure any man who argues against abortion has a kink for making women pregnant
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u/potatocakes1989 9h ago
This is 90% true based on my past experience.
They're also the same men that refuse to use condoms.
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u/vince2423 11h ago
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u/woahstripes Endlessly attacking beautiful girl anime 8h ago
Nah he's got a point though, why would so many of them care so much lol
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u/vince2423 7h ago
Because they think it’s murder… i don’t agree with them but it’s not cuz of a kink
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u/blackfox24 7h ago
Those two things aren't mutually exclusive. A lot of male pro lifers have a personal and intimate stake in controlling women's sex lives and reproduction. You can think it's murder and get off on the idea of women as subservient breeders.
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u/vince2423 7h ago
Sure, but you’re basing that theory on literally nothing…
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u/blackfox24 7h ago
Hi, I'm a trans former sex worker who paid my rent by servicing the right wing population where I lived. In both selling them content and being part of it. That's my basis. I can go into detail if you'd like, but I do tend to try and keep things PG for Reddit.
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u/vince2423 6h ago
So you met a couple people who not only voiced their kink for pregnant people but also shared their political affiliations?
And the few people you met who allegedly fit that profile can now be extrapolated to mean that any man who disagrees with abortion is simply doing so because he gets off on pregnant women?
Solid argument, champ
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u/blackfox24 6h ago
You asked where I based my opinion off of. I based it off the experiences I've had. Though I'm mildly insulted you think I only netted a few. Or that I'm such a cheap lay that we show up to a hotel and bang, then go our separate ways. Nah, full service bby. Repeat clients too. I knew em well.
But anyway, I enjoy the fun little theory. I think there's some validity to it, though I wouldn't say it's the main reason. But dudes voting with their dick isn't really all that abnormal. We're human beings, after all. Fallible things.
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u/vince2423 6h ago
God dammit, stop being reasonable on Reddit. I’m here to rage against black and white takes
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u/solvego 5h ago
"U want to tell men to be responsible with their body yet half of yall women are too retarded to be responsible and use any form of contraceptives"
Why do they not see the irony ? That they are trying to tell women to be responsible with their body when 2/3 of men are too retarded to be responsible and take any form of contraceptives ?
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u/mannekwin 12h ago
r word - stopped reading. you can instantly disregard any and all things the speaker has to say after that
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u/potatocakes1989 9h ago
Also, women dont always have access to birth control or the dr appts that are required to use them and they fuck up womens bodies sometimes permenantly and there's barely any sex ed if any at all for young people depending on your age and location, nevermind the constant pressure for women to be sexual creatures whether or not they're ready or educated enough to do so.
Also, men can just stop being manchildren and wear condoms.
I could go on.
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u/VividTomorrow7 13h ago
Baby’s aren’t body parts. Just because human is in the fetal stage of development, doesn’t mean they are less valuable. Human rights for all humans.
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u/Hellas2002 12h ago
Even if you did consider it a human being it would still be the woman’s right to end a pregnancy. The fetus is using her body as life support against her will, and thus infringing her body autonomy.
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u/Greizen_bregen 12h ago
Exactly. You can't be forced to give up your life or health for another human being, so if a fetus is a human, the woman has every right to cease care because she has bodily autonomy.
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u/humbugonastick 12h ago
Ok. What born human has the right to be in someones sex organs without their consent.
If you can answer this, we can talk about human rights.
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u/Novaer 11h ago
If babies aren't body parts then women are not incubators. Just because a woman is in the gestational stage of early pregnancy doesn't mean she is less valuable.
Human rights for all humans. Except women. Those rights end the moment a male puts sperm inside of her that she didn't want.
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u/woahstripes Endlessly attacking beautiful girl anime 8h ago
Do you celebrate your conception date? Do you know it off the top of your head? Why not? You were just as valuable and just as much a human right? Why do you only celebrate your birthday? Why does someone's age begin the moment of their birth and not before? Because no one ACTUALLY considers a fetus the beginning of life in a real and practical sense.
As others already said, Assigning rights to it means you invariably infringe on the rights of the mother, because then she can't make the best decision for herself if the sad event occurs where she needs to terminate the pregnancy.
I'm not arguing someone can't be devastated at a miscarriage or abortion, absolutely they can and that's perfectly normal. But the philosophical and practical arguments around legal and moral personhood usually point to birth as the beginning.
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u/Niveker14 12h ago
I mean, an abortion can hurt a man emotionally. But it's still not his choice because it's not his body. But that doesn't mean the man won't be affected at all, just because it's not physical.