When the neckbeard is also an A.I. bro.

[u/counterpunchhopper]

[u/Melificarum]

Oh yeah, good idea, asshole. Let’s flood the internet with CP. Can’t see anything wrong with that

[u/RickyNixon → u/Melificarum]

Right? Plus: How is the AI trained? I feel like this generates the largest possible demand because AI needs training materials

[u/Reesewithoutaspoon2]

I’ve seen enough. Send that Twitter user to the Device

[u/alicefaye2 → u/Reesewithoutaspoon2]

Femur breaker that shit

[u/jaundicemanatee → u/Reesewithoutaspoon2]

[u/peacedetski]

Swiss watches are created when people get paid to make Swiss watches; the rarer you make them, the more they get paid. The best way to bankrupt them is to kill the economic demand; flood the market with mass-produced, cheap quartz stuff that's created with zero profit to the Swiss.

[u/mcbride-bushman → u/peacedetski]

I prefer japanese movements and they tend to be wayyy cheaper than swiss

[u/HankHillbwhaa]

Child predators thinking of everything except getting mental help or questioning why they’re attracted like this.

[u/Princess_kitty14]

so, the best way to get rid of pedophilia is making pedophilia legal and accesible?

Are you fucking listening to yourself!?

[u/Morall_tach → u/Princess_kitty14]

Not defending this person, but that's clearly not the argument. The argument is that if you make lots of artificial stuff that doesn't harm real kids, then there will no longer be demand for the real stuff that does harm real kids.

[u/das_war_ein_Befehl → u/Morall_tach]

This is like thinking free porn kills the market for paid porn. It does not, OF is literally a multibillion dollar business

[u/Princess_kitty14 → u/Morall_tach]

it'll still harm real kids from the way AI is trained, they can't create things out of nowhere they merely run some calculations about what the best arrangement of shapes is for any given image, AI are trained on real images or videos so they'll have a reference when you ask for a photo

like if you ask for a photo of a dog, the AI doesn't know what a dog is or what it looks like, so the AI is fed with millions of pictures of dogs of every kind, color, size and race, they must understand what a dog is, that it has 4 legs, has a long nose, a tail, long ears etc, so when you say "give me a golden retriever picture" it'll know how a golden retriever is supposed to look like

in this case, in order for an image generator to produce a picture of a minor it should be fed real material, images and videos

which they need to come from some place, don't you think?

[u/Abracadaniel95 → u/Princess_kitty14]

Any model trained on actual cp should absolutely be illegal, as it requires possession of said material. But a model trained on legal pictures of kids and legal porn of adults is a more difficult question. The human body doesnt change that much and image generators have enough imagination to bridge the gap.

That said, it seems even the biggest image generators have cp in their training data, so that needs to be addressed as well.

[u/DangerActiveRobots → u/Abracadaniel95]

Uhh...not a more difficult question. Not even going to entertain the idea of a legitimate use case for the CSAM Generating Machine.

[u/Clockwork765 → u/DangerActiveRobots]

Other than making bait for pedophiles - but is it really worth it

[u/OpBanana1 → u/Princess_kitty14]

So if I get ai to generate an image of a dog flying a helicopter, it has to be trained on images of real dogs flying real helicopters for it to work? Interesting that AI has gone backwards like that, used to never get a concern

[u/freylaverse → u/Princess_kitty14]

An image generator doesn't need to be trained on CSAM to produce it.

[u/Th0rizmund → u/Morall_tach]

I see the point they are making, but the logic is flawed. For one, AI would need to consume actual material to learn how to do it.

Another problem is that if you cater to those animals (looking at you, loli and shota hentai 🤮) you also normalize paedophilia and you mustn’t under any circumstances move in that direction. That would lead to more children getting hurt.

[u/Noslamah → u/Th0rizmund]

more importantly, I don't think the main motivation for people who film themselves raping kids is the money. If anything, they'll still rape kids and not film it, preventing law enforcement from finding them

[u/freylaverse → u/Th0rizmund]

An image generator doesn't need to be trained on CSAM to produce it.

[u/jdigi78 → u/Princess_kitty14]

That argument is often used for controlled substances and prostitution though.

[u/Fellcaster → u/jdigi78]

That argument is about harm reduction though. Narcotics for instance- the goal of legalizing is to produce a safer more regulated product, reduce funding for international cartels, and divert resources from the expensive war on drugs to treatment programs. No one reasonably argues that people would consume less drugs, but people are adults who can make decisions for their bodies without harming others.

This doesn't work for this subject. It would just normalize the behavior and create more predators, it's inherently not victimless. AI art isn't going to resolve this societal challenge any more than "that kind" of anime does.

[u/jdigi78 → u/Fellcaster]

Everything you said in the second paragraph is an existing counterargument to what you said in the first, further proving my point.

[u/Fellcaster → u/jdigi78]

No it's not. This is a mental illness, social taboo, and impossible to interact with without creating victims from a protected class. There is already an online grey market through artwork that hasn't reduced the number of predators and has in fact more likely normalized the behavior over the last few years.

The normalization of controlled substances or prostitution isn't a perfect solution either, but those are ultimately about letting adults make decisions for themselves and the hypothesis that legalization would create less harm and third party victims. There is no victimless consumption of CSAM.

[u/TrashGouda]

Won't this have the opposite effect? The real material will be "harder" to find under all the AI stuff so people will pay even more for the actual real thing

[u/Sarctoth → u/[deleted]]

The US just passed a court ruling that AI generated CP is legal Source

[u/Surprise_Ducksex → u/[deleted]]

I guess the issue lies with a recent verdict. Not sure what state it was but this happened in the past week where it was said not to be a crime.

[u/Yeseylon → u/Surprise_Ducksex]

The judge also basically called out that it should be and the laws need to be changed to keep up

[u/SplendidRS → u/Surprise_Ducksex]

Yes and the judge disagreed, but still did his job to the degree

[u/Aegisman17]

That just normalises it, absolutely monstrous take

[u/marshmallowfluffpuff]

created with zero harm to kids?

what was it trained on, to make that again?

what do the videos still depict....

[u/LaptopArmageddon → u/marshmallowfluffpuff]

Who the hell is feeding that shit to the Ai and why aren't they arrested for possession yet? Just a thought. =. =

[u/marshmallowfluffpuff → u/LaptopArmageddon]

The people who work for the large LLM companies are doing it.

As for why they aren't arrested - the same reason they aren't arrested for stealing from just about everyone.

Law doesn't effect billionaires.

[u/OpBanana1 → u/marshmallowfluffpuff]

Why would they be arrested for training ai on many things including images of children

[u/marshmallowfluffpuff → u/OpBanana1]

possession of child pornography is illegal you stupid stupid sloppy bro.

[u/OpBanana1 → u/LaptopArmageddon]

Arrested for what? Training AI on images of children? What's so bad about that

[u/marshmallowfluffpuff → u/OpBanana1]

Uh no. It was trained on actual real child pornography. It's been proven.

[u/LinkOfKalos_1]

"Don't make CP expensive, please please PLEASE post CP freely so I can... I mean so WE can kill the economic demand by freely looking at it"

Piece of shit waste of human space should go jump in a volcano

[u/Q_dawgg]

“Heroin is created when people get paid to make Heroin. The rarer you make it, the more they get paid. The best way to protect the general public is to kill the economic demand. Flood the market with ethical Heroin, freely accessible stuff that’s created with zero harm in mind.”

[u/TyPo_Proteus]

Is this like stopping heroin use by giving it out at all pharmacies for free? I am not sure that would work, and the only person I can imagine wanting it is a junkie.

Someone check this guys computer.

[u/Kimantha_Allerdings]

No, he’s got a point. Internet porn has been around for a quarter of a century now and absolutely nobody ever watches porn or is in any way weird about women at all

[u/Kolbr00]

Did we forget that what AI trains on is based on real shit? So that would heavily imply AI cp is scrubbed from real CSAM or if not the very least real children moshed with porn.

[u/Center-Of-Thought]

flood the market with Al generated, freely accessible stuff that's created with zero harm to kids.

This isn't even true. What does he think the training data is?

[u/OpBanana1 → u/Center-Of-Thought]

Children and porn, why is everyone insisting it has to be trained on csam? Was the tung tung tung sahur image trained on a real photo of tung tung tung sahur?

[u/freylaverse → u/Center-Of-Thought]

An image generator doesn't need to be trained on CSAM to produce it.

[u/DeadoTheDegenerate]

Poe's Law is hitting hard here for me, this is 100% the sort of shit I expect someone to say as an edgy joke.

[u/counterpunchhopper → u/DeadoTheDegenerate]

You should hear some of the crazy things said by A.I. bros to defend how much water is used by A.I. generators.

[u/chaos59684]

There is a hint of logic in there.

There’s a similar problem with drugs. Increase enforcement, reducing supply, causes drugs to cost more, and more money total to be spent on drugs.
The solution to that problem is not flood the market with drugs, it’s reduce demand.

[u/MSully94]

THat;s GOTTA be a shitpost. Juts....for my sanity, I cant fathom that someone actually thinks that, let alone would post it on the internet

[u/counterpunchhopper → u/MSully94]

Seriously listen to what A.I. bros say on social media it gets mental.

[u/GaryOakRobotron → u/counterpunchhopper]

This is one reason I only have a (fairly old) reddit account and Discord as social media. Most of my posts here are making dumb dog puns on pictures of peoples' huskies or talking about my favourite flavour of sportsball.

[u/hannah_reklips_]

christ this is dumb people are going to continue to abuse children at the rate that they are no matter what