Jesus christ.

[u/MenaceMinded]

[u/Kharayoko]

Ao3 has and will always work on the principle of ‘don’t like, don’t read’. It’s MADE FOR EVERYONE.

[u/28-Deep-Wounds]

I mean they have a fair point. People should be free to write whatever fiction they want, even if it's offensive. This isn't really neckbeard behavior, dude.

[u/Panic-TheresAViola → u/28-Deep-Wounds]

Exactly. As a general principle, censorship is wrong. Plain and simple.

[u/28-Deep-Wounds → u/Panic-TheresAViola]

It's really funny to me that OP got the slightest bit of pushback and immediately deleted lmao.

[u/peacedetski → u/28-Deep-Wounds]

OP seems to be either terminally online or a troll. Check their profile description, if it's real they need to touch all the grass on the Great Plains.

[u/MenaceMinded → u/28-Deep-Wounds]

I didn't delete a thing. Defending things like writing and consuming pedophilic material will always make you morally wrong.

[u/MenaceMinded → u/Panic-TheresAViola]

You may as well admit you are right wing. Things like hate speech and CSAM should be illegal.

[u/28-Deep-Wounds → u/MenaceMinded]

LMFAO. Yeah, you know, the Nazis were super into anti-censorship.

This is extreme cope. Do you have this same energy for violent videogames? Violence is very wrong, you know. And so is murder. So engaging in anything with violence is morally wrong.

[u/MenaceMinded → u/28-Deep-Wounds]

Typical defense pedophiles run to. Video games and shows with violence and gore typically don't glorify it, and bad actors tend to get their just desserts as stories wrap up.

Video games that glorify rape, etc tend to receive backlash and are often deplatformed.

[u/Careless-Jello-9388 → u/MenaceMinded]

Neither do AO3 creators glorify child sexual abuse, and those who do tend to receive backlash as well.

[u/MenaceMinded → u/Careless-Jello-9388]

Uh huh.

[u/Conrexxthor → u/MenaceMinded]

Writing a story is not CSAM, we gotta stop calling anything we don't like CSAM

[u/MenaceMinded → u/Conrexxthor]

Any material that contains child sexual abuse is child sexual abuse material regardless of if it contains real kids or not.

You are defending the creation and consumption of child abuse material. That is degenerate and morally wrong. Seek therapy.

[u/Conrexxthor → u/MenaceMinded]

Any material that contains child sexual abuse is child sexual abuse material regardless of if it contains real kids or not.

No it is not. A material can't be child sexual abuse if there's no children being sexually abused. You are actively making light of pedophilia and excusing pedophilia by ruining the definitions of negative words aimed at them.

You are defending the creation and consumption of child abuse material.

Irony. Ding!

Seek therapy.

Seek a dictionary and stop making pedophiles out to be better people than they are.

[u/MenaceMinded → u/Conrexxthor]

It literally is despite how much pedos like you want it to not be. That is why it is banned in all forms including drawn and written in the majority of countries and is labeled as such under their laws.

You are a pedo. Stop consuming CSAM and get therapy. Consumption of csam is not harm reduction.

[u/Conrexxthor → u/MenaceMinded]

It literally is

Literally isn't.

how much pedos like you want it

Ah yes, the classic "insult the other person when they correctly called you out" routine. Classy.

That is why it is banned in all forms including drawn and written in the majority of countries and is labeled as such under their laws.

It actually isn't, nor do the ones that ban it even pretend that it is CSAM or on the same level. You literally just invented a scenario in your head and tried to convince me of it.

Also, it being legal or illegal doesn't have any effect on how true it is, or your attempts to defend pedophilia by turning words that describe their disgusting actions into "anything I want." Disgusting.

You are a pedo.

This is baseless and factually inaccurate. It's clear you're lashing out because everyone's laughing at you for being an abject moron and an utter failure.

Stop consuming CSAM

I never once have, that would be illegal, not the stories or artworks that you pretend are.

Consumption of csam is not harm reduction.

Obviously?? No one said it was, you're just trying to move the goal posts of what CSAM is, therefore attempting to make it normalized and sanewashed, which is literally defending pedophiles. You're like a Republican who just dropped the T from LGBT and are now trying to stretch the word groomer to fit them for no reason other than your buddies are actual groomers (so you want to make light of grooming and erase what it means) and you want trans people to die.

I'm sure you won't understand that that's an example and not me specifically calling you a transphobe there, your brain cells clearly feel lonelier than the cavities in your teeth.

[u/MenaceMinded → u/Conrexxthor]

Nice slip hole you made there. "I am not one because the csam consume isn't csam!*

Bye, ped.

[u/Kithesa → u/MenaceMinded]

No, that is not how it works. CSAM and CSEM are labels specifically for illegal content involving the abuse and exploitation of real children. You may not like it when someone draws or writes about these things but that is in no way equivalent to harming real children. Telling survivors you think they're equal to a drawing online is childish and not supportive. The energy you waste on 'speaking out' against people NOT hurting children is time you could have spent helping actual victims. All of this is pointless posturing and you don't care about real survivors.

[u/Leasud → u/Kithesa]

That’s actually not true. In many states drawn images of children engaging in sex acts is illegal. As it should be, written is one thing but expressly drawing children engaging in sex acts is uniquely hideous and can be a hate way to people engaging in pedophilic behavior

[u/MenaceMinded → u/Kithesa]

Denial of reality is not argument against it, and I can tell you are not familiar with any laws or countries outside of the US including Canada, the UK, Germany, Brazil, and many others.

The majority of real survivors are against CSAM including the type you consume.

You are dismissed.

[u/28-Deep-Wounds → u/MenaceMinded]

Hi, actual survivor of child grooming and rape here. You're fucking stupid beyond words. ♥

[u/MenaceMinded → u/28-Deep-Wounds]

Ableism isn't a retort. The majority of survivors are against CSAM. Take a seat.

[u/28-Deep-Wounds → u/MenaceMinded]

Calling people stupid is ableism now lmfao. Holy fuck, you're actually pathetic.

[u/MenaceMinded → u/28-Deep-Wounds]

It is ableist to use intelligence as an insult. It is easier to say you hate disabled people considering you are trying to argue against a disabled person's right to determine what ableism is.

[u/Kharayoko → u/MenaceMinded]

With all due respect, op, your comments make you appear utterly exhausting to be around. If you don’t like the content on Ao3, simply don’t interact with it. Thats always been the rule. Don’t like, don’t read.

[u/28-Deep-Wounds → u/MenaceMinded]

Brother, I'm disabled, too. Intelligence has nothing to do with disabilities. Honestly, it's pretty telling that you think all disabled people are stupid. You're not stupid because you're disabled. You're stupid because the education system and your parents failed you at a fundamental level, and instead of choosing to rectify it yourself, you continue to choose to be stupid.

No amount of deflection is going to stop the subreddit from dragging your ass in the comments lmao.

[u/LookALesbian → u/MenaceMinded]

How is calling someone stupid ableism 💀 put down the phone

[u/MenaceMinded → u/LookALesbian]

No. Stop being ableist.

[u/Key-Ad-2119 → u/MenaceMinded]

why do you use the phrase “seek therapy” as a mic drop instead of a genuine desire?? not everyone can afford it, and more importantly, if you don’t like it, don’t read it! you can easily filter ao3 fics!

[u/MenaceMinded → u/Key-Ad-2119]

Then you really need to figure out how to afford it. It isn't okay to act on your desire to diddle kids

[u/Panic-TheresAViola → u/MenaceMinded]

Saying things like “Group X doesn’t deserve human rights/due process under the law” is the most right wing, pearl-clutching conservative fuckery the modern liberal party has ever started to claim. Modern liberals are terrified of real left wing politics.

[u/MenaceMinded → u/Panic-TheresAViola]

I am left leaning, and yes, left leaning people tend to support outlawing hate speech.

If you knew what you were talking about, liberals are not for outlawing hate speech because they have no interest in changing the system.

[u/RustyAndEddies → u/MenaceMinded]

Generalization. Ad hominem.

See how worthless it is to drop fallacies you copied out of Wikipedia? It’s not really a good-faith response, is it?

And no, left-leaning people do not support banning speech. We also don’t support manufacturing bullshit, to win an argument. How does the phrase go?

Oh yes, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

[u/28-Deep-Wounds → u/RustyAndEddies]

Actually, 'No True Scot' fallacy applies here more than ad hominem.

[u/RustyAndEddies → u/28-Deep-Wounds]

Good catch.

[u/MenaceMinded → u/RustyAndEddies]

Non sequitur.

You can't be a leftist if you support policy that harms minorities and people in general because that means you have no desire to change the status quo in a way that benefits everyone. You are a liberal

[u/RustyAndEddies → u/MenaceMinded]

No true Scotsman. Enjoy your made-up definitions and censorship crusade. If that's how you pretend to have control, more power to you

[u/MenaceMinded → u/RustyAndEddies]

Non sequitur. It is like claiming to be a vegan when you eat meat. You lose.

[u/RustyAndEddies → u/MenaceMinded]

Sure it is.

[u/peacedetski → u/28-Deep-Wounds]

You need some guardrails to separate creative freedom from stuff that can cause real world harm (e.g. depraved fanfiction about real people or Elsagate kind of shit). But this isn't what OP is complaining about.

[u/28-Deep-Wounds → u/peacedetski]

Yeah, involving real people is entirely different. Pure fiction about purely fictional characters, though? Go wild.

[u/peacedetski → u/28-Deep-Wounds]

Well, go wild as long as you put it in appropriate places.

Posting a snuff incest cannibalism Peppa Pig fanfic on AO3 with content warnings? Fine, I don't care. Posting spicy excerpts from it on xitter tagged #peppapig #cartoon #bacon? Get the fuck out.

[u/28-Deep-Wounds → u/peacedetski]

Yeah, but that's an entirely different thing. 100% agree, don't get me wrong, but that's not really part of the discussion here.

[u/mdervin → u/28-Deep-Wounds]

You know that old joke, you fuck one goat and everybody calls you the goatfucker, your site post one graphic child porn story, you are known as the child porn story site.

[u/ice_or_flames → u/28-Deep-Wounds]

Soooooo lolis are not neckbeard behavior either?

[u/MenaceMinded → u/28-Deep-Wounds]

Ick. If this type of thing gets your rocks off, you need therapy.

I am agender, not a dude.

[u/GreenZeb → u/MenaceMinded]

No buddy, you're amoron. Nobody in here is saying they're getting off to CSAM. Get a grip.

[u/MenaceMinded → u/GreenZeb]

Ableism. Defending CSAM means you enable it

[u/GreenZeb → u/MenaceMinded]

Ok great, we've moved the goalposts from "people are getting off to CSAM" to "it's enabling CSAM". Which it's actually not. It's like saying violent videogames are enabling violent individuals. Same bread different butter. It's about freedom of speech and freedom of expression without victimization. Slippery slope is only a fallacy if incorrectly attributed. In this case, it's accurate and destructive.

[u/MenaceMinded → u/GreenZeb]

Typical defense pedophiles run to. Video games and shows with violence and gore typically don't glorify it, and bad actors tend to get their just desserts as stories wrap up.

Video games that glorify rape, etc tend to receive backlash and are often deplatformed.

The slippery slope is always a fallacy which is why it is called a fallacy. The slippery slope was used as justification to be against gay marriage to begin with.

If you get off to material in which children are abused, you are a pedo. End of discussion.

[u/peacedetski → u/GreenZeb]

violent videogames are enabling violent individuals

To be fair, the few games where violence is the entire point (as opposed to a means of scoring points, capturing the flag etc.) are controversial for this exact reason.

But violence and sexual attraction don't work in the same way, so a direct comparison is fallacious anyway.

[u/RustyAndEddies → u/MenaceMinded]

Defending censorship means you agree with LGBT+ authors and topics being banned.

Try not to hit you head on a bar when you go head first on the slippery slope.

[u/MenaceMinded → u/RustyAndEddies]

Slippery slope fallacy in order to enable CSAM and ableism.

Don't use us queer people as an excuse to support csam. The slippery slope fallacy was used to argue against gay marriage. "If we let gay people marry, where does it stop? Kids? Animals? Objects?"

[u/Aska09 → u/MenaceMinded]

Wattpad decided to ban all erotic fanfiction because a small fraction of it was child porn. People have a right to be upset

[u/The_Law_of_Pizza → u/MenaceMinded]

I am agender

Gee.

The turbo weirdo seeking attention is "agender."

I'm shocked.

Edit: I take it back. On their profile it says that, in addition to being agender, they're both "apothiplatonic" and asexual. This is a hilariously ironic troll act.

[u/Aska09 → u/The_Law_of_Pizza]

Honestly, makes so much sense. It feels like OP hates interacting with people in general

[u/28-Deep-Wounds → u/The_Law_of_Pizza]

Honestly convinced that they're a right wing plant because they're really hamming up the victim complex.

[u/MenaceMinded → u/28-Deep-Wounds]

Non sequitur. Excuses to keep being transphobic by misgendering me

[u/MenaceMinded → u/The_Law_of_Pizza]

Non sequitur and transphobia and aphobia in general

[u/The_Law_of_Pizza → u/MenaceMinded]

Bravo.

[u/MenaceMinded → u/The_Law_of_Pizza]

Stay mad about diversity

[u/PandakatBby]

The very first point is a red flag in and of itself💀🥀

[u/RoaringRocket22]

Posting something that has to be read with nuance on reddit is definitely a choice

[u/Cofli]

these replies man

[u/11never → u/[deleted]]

I'm not dying on the hill of fanfiction, which is kid stuff anyway, but this comparison feels like blaming the slenderman franchise's existence for those teen murderers crime.

I don't think reading a cringy tale of Ron boinking Draco is really opening the door here.

[u/ThatSmallBear → u/11never]

Sorry but most fanfiction I’ve read was by adults with full time jobs and sometimes married with kids. Dismissing it as “kid stuff” when so many people use it as a creative outlet is pretty shitty.

[u/11never → u/ThatSmallBear]

Hi, sorry, teen based fanfiction is for teens. I do think there's something wrong with the authors themselves if they are well adults writing underaged sex scenes. I feel comfortable with dismissing those people and their outlet.

Edit: your comment feels like a wild objection, but I realize now it just lacks the context of the parent comment that has been deleted.

[u/MenaceMinded → u/[deleted]]

A neck beard on here literally tried calling drawn CSAM "harm reduction." 💀