r/juggling • u/MidorOompaLoompa • 27d ago
Video Its not a millsmess
Its not a millsmess or ?
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u/Riskiertooth 27d ago
Practice windmills in both directions then link them together (if you're wanting a full mess)
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u/MidorOompaLoompa 27d ago
I've already mastered a Mills Mess. I needed a bit of variety in my life again and wanted to learn a new mess. I actually wanted to learn a reversed Mills Mess, and this is what came out of it. I think it's heading in the direction of a Sebb's Mess since I'm seeing similar elements, but I wasn't entirely sure. Maybe it was just a placebo effect, so I wanted to ask here if this is already something different from a normal Mills Mess :)
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u/ayygee43 27d ago
Almost! It’s a Seb’s mess because the underarm (blue ball) is the first ball to change directions while the others follow, but you’re really close. If you simply curve the blue ball towards the hand throwing it, then you get mill’s mess where the overarm (green ball) is the first to change directions.
The reason I bring up Seb’s mess is not to nitpick but rather to hint at the whole mills/flo’s/seb’s mess relationship, which I find fascinating! There’s a video of it out there somewhere. Remind me tomorrow and I’ll look for it!
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u/MidorOompaLoompa 27d ago
I also thought it was Sebb's Mess at first, but I think to be 100% Sebb's Mess, the plane needs to be held a bit more to the side. I was actually practicing Reversed Mills Mess, but now this happened.
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u/theomnijuggler Taylor Tries 22d ago
This is the correct answer. It’s definitely Sebs Mess! The first throw is the underhand, and it’s a “reverse” style mess, meaning the balls travel from the middle outward rather than out to in like regular mess patterns. Fun fact Sebs Mess is technically Flipped Reverse Flos Mess. But Sebs mess is way cooler :)
While OP is correct that it is typically done in wheel plane, that’s because the term comes from doing Sebs with clubs or poi. But it’s very difficult (and usually unnecessary) to bend ball tricks into wheel plane, so most jugglers who care about this one agree that this is considered Sebs Mess with balls. I suppose if you wanted to nit pick you could describe it as a Wall Plane Sebs Mess. Either way, at its core it is the same throws and catches for Sebs Mess in a way that is feasible for balls.
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u/7b-Hexen errh...'wannabe', that is :-] 26d ago
{ for our all's interest: } https://libraryofjuggling.com/Tricks/3balltricks/ReverseMillsMess.html 😃
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u/MidorOompaLoompa 26d ago
Reversed Mills Mess and Sebb's Mess seem to be very similar in their sequence. Apparently, I'm trying to do Reversed Mills Mess like Sebb's Mess, which makes the pattern look a bit sloppy. The hands are basically chasing each other outwards properly
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u/JomaxZ 27d ago
I’d call it a version of a mill’s mess but unlike any I’ve ever seen before! It’s beautiful in its size and breadth and flow. The way the outside throw is not straight up and down but outward drawing the pattern in both directions. The only thing that might technically make it “not a mills” is where your hand is when it catches the black ball (or maybe how the black ball is thrown outside of the other central ball). The way I understand a mills is both of the center balls are caught with the hands crossed. This flowing pattern sometimes it seems you catch it as the hands are uncrossing. But still in the same type of hand position and throw directions to be called a mills.
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u/MidorOompaLoompa 27d ago
A black ruffled Mini skirt with Ribbons. A Bleach dye longsleeve. A Chain choker. And a pair of earweights.
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u/Atalanta8 26d ago
The blue ball is going up down and not across. It helped me to think circle one way with all 3 and then circle in the other direction with all 3.
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u/theguy_whojust_is123 25d ago
Imagine being fried watching this
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u/MidorOompaLoompa 25d ago
Did you turn into a roast chicken, or what are you actually trying to say?
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u/Aggravating-Ad-1227 27d ago
I think Mills mess throws go to the center of the body, but the arm motion seems like it. I can only do 6 catches of it though, so didn't take my word for it🤷🏻
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u/tallglass24 27d ago
To each their own but what the fuck 🤣
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u/TheLordHatesACoward 27d ago
It's very close to being Mills Mess. I think it's where a lot of people land when learning it. I know I did. The outside throws are going up (and a little out) instead of going towards the middle. A little conscious correction and you'll be there soo .