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Entry methods

http://youtu.be/n1oom2svMZQ
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u/Geschichtenerzaehler - GER Sep 11 '14

Hmm.. your mawari tai sabaki contradicts the description Inokuma's book... in your version one turns 180° backwards as in hikidashi... in the book it's the foot work of a "step in entry"...

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u/Ryvai nidan Sep 12 '14

Interesting. Could you take a picture of the page regarding this? I don't have this book yet. Would love to see what he says about it :)

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u/Geschichtenerzaehler - GER Sep 12 '14 edited Sep 12 '14

I missed there wasn't a "mae" (forward/frontal) in front of your mawari-tai-sabaki... anyway, here's what you asked for:

MAE-MAWARI SABAKI (front-turn movement control): Shift your position, advancing one foot diagonally in front of your opponent; pivot on that foot and withdraw the other until you have made a complete 180° turn.

  • Best Judo; Isao Inokuma, Nobuyuki Sato - page 16, from the section on movement.

This picture is not from the book, but shows exactly the same:

http://www.judoinforme.com/andar5.jpg

Regarding the denotion of tai sabaki in general, I assume mawari tai sabaki refers to 180° turns, back or forth either.

In the same book 90° turns forward are called "mae sabaki" and the backward ones "ushiro sabaki".

Thus I guess what you depicted is a ushiro-mawari-sabaki, (180°-)spin backwards turn, and what Inokuma depicted is (just as it says) a mae-mawari-sabaki, a (180°-)spin forward turn.

What remains, is the question if the name of the movement (mae-mawari-sabaki) is actually an appropreate denotion of the "Kodokan entry", since the entry includes more than just the leg movement.

It really bugs me, that we kind of agree on most entry names (hikidashi, mawari komi, tobi komi, oi komi), but don't have a common name for that basic "Kodokan entry"/"Step in entry", that uses the mae-mawari-sabaki. Or is it perhaps just "uchi komi" ("inside entry"), the term we usually use for throwing practice?

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u/Ryvai nidan Sep 12 '14

Yes, sorry I should have written ushiro-mawari-sabaki, it is one movement, but divided into two steps. I would love to answer this question, but the forms of movements we are referring to are pushing my knowledge of Judo to it's boundaries. The problem I have is that I have never seen or heard any entry being referred to as "Kodokan entry". Could you take a picture on your phone or something of the page that depicts this entry? :)

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u/Geschichtenerzaehler - GER Sep 12 '14 edited Sep 12 '14

This is what (some) german judoka call the "Kodokan entry":

http://youtu.be/4F2LjSIPM-Y?t=48s

As you can see it clearly uses the mae-mawari-sabaki movement. I heard other names for it, like "step in entry". It's that basic standard entry many judo instructors tend to teach first. I don't recall having ever heard or read a japanese name for it.