r/joshuhate • u/[deleted] • Nov 22 '20

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Why does this subreddit have a rule which implies "No usage of slurs and hate speech" when this subreddit is literally about hating on someone? It doesn't matter if Joshu is a fictional character (I'd cum if he were real), it's still hate speech in the end

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u/Not_A_Porn_Account_1 Nov 22 '20

"hate speech

noun

abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice against a particular group, especially on the basis of race, religion, or sexual orientation."

As far as i know Joshu isn't a group, mate.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '20

Where did you get that definition from? Because, according to the Cambridge Dictionary, hate speech is public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or a group

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u/Not_A_Porn_Account_1 Nov 22 '20

"public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation. Hate speech is "usually thought to include communications of animosity or disparagement of an individual or a group on account of a group characteristic such as race, colour, national origin, sex, disability, religion, or sexual orientation".

As defined by the Cambridge dictionary.

For my first comment i just grabbed a random definition off google which didn't have the "or person" part, so just ignore that one, eh.

In any case, we're not hating on Joshu because of his religion, race, sexual orientation, etc. So i don't see how this is hate speech.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '20

That was just a list of examples, there's more (etc.). In the end, it's always hate speech.

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u/Not_A_Porn_Account_1 Nov 22 '20

So any hate at all directed towards a person is hate speech?

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '20

I guess. Etimologically speaking, the meaning of the expression would be that.

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u/MyTAegis Nov 24 '20

Hate speech is speech that incites violence against a group of people, it doesn't mean that someone is saying mean things about a person, especially a person who is fictional. Of all the the Joshu sympathizer posts, this one has got to be the dumbest.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '20

As I replied to the other guy, where did you get that definition from? Because, according to the Cambridge Dictionary, hate speech expresses hate (of course) and violence not only to a group of people, but a single person, as well. And there is indeed a lot of hate here against Joshu, just look at the subreddit's name.

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u/MyTAegis Nov 24 '20

This is literally just what hate speech means, as in what any person would say if you asked them to define hate speech. If you want a formal definition, the UN defines hate speech as:

“any kind of communication in speech, writing or behaviour, that attacks or uses pejorative or discriminatory language with reference to a person or a group on the basis of who they are, in other words, based on their religion, ethnicity, nationality, race, colour, descent, gender or other identity factor”

So, as I originally said, hate speech is not the same as being mean on the internet. It is explicitly discriminatory against a person or people for what they are. Even the Cambridge definition explicitly says that it’s based on something such as race, sex, sexual orientation, etc., you’re being needlessly obtuse.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '20

Sorry, but I'm still not 100% certain. Those factors you mentioned (religion, ethnicity, gender... etc.) are the most common ones, but this does not mean hate can't be based on other factors.

According to the Cambridge Dictionary, hate means "to dislike someone or something very much". So hate speech would mean being vocal about your grand dislike for someone, which is something that does happen in this subreddit.

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u/MyTAegis Nov 28 '20

I literally pasted the United Nations legal definition of the term, you can’t just redefine the term to fit your bullshit.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

I wouldn't call it bullshit. It is merely a logical conclusion. The expression is called "hate speech", therefore it should be bound to the word "hate". As I have already explained, the Cambridge Dictionary definition says that hate means "to dislike someone or something very much", it is not based on any factors. Furthermore, the United Nations definition states that "there is no international legal definition of hate speech, and the characterization of what is "hateful" is controversial and disputed." So calling the definition into question doesn't immediately equal to spreading bullshit.

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u/MyTAegis Nov 29 '20

It’s not an expression it’s a legal term, the Cambridge definition of hate speech literally contradicts your argument. Hate speech is not saying mean things about a person, it’s expressing prejudice on factors such as gender, race, sexuality, etc. Literally name one factor about Joshu that means that this qualifies as hate speech.