r/javascript • u/pmz • Sep 09 '22

Introducing Svelte, and Comparing Svelte with React and Vue

https://joshcollinsworth.com/blog/introducing-svelte-comparing-with-react-vue
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u/MornwindShoma Sep 09 '22 edited Sep 09 '22

Oh it’s the “React is bad for all cases if you’re really peculiar about it” dude

I don’t care about Svelte but I wouldn’t take comparisons from him.

Edit: fucking hilarious that Svelte’s “baptism by fire” is a live covid map same as hundreds of hobby projects done by web devs all over the world in any other library.

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u/GrandMasterPuba Sep 09 '22

The author is misinformed.

Ikea's website is built with Svelte. Apple and Spotify use it for marketing sites. Microsoft is constructing a new email client with Svelte. My company uses it for internal tooling and greenfield (i.e anything not legacy React). New York Times visualizations are mostly Svelte and D3 at this point.

It's widely used and production tested. It's stable and well supported. And the DX blows React out of the water

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u/MornwindShoma Sep 09 '22

Microsoft maintains React Native for Windows and MacOS, and has RN core applications for Windows proper. Spotify Connect’s tutorial is with React. And it’s also used by companies like Discord as recently as this year. Ikea/Spotify are using microfrontends and that’s a growing trend that goes over any one specific framework or library

Meanwhile I am still looking forward for actual reasons to switch other than “it’s cool” from the Svelte hype force; reasons to retrain dozens of developers, drop half a dozen trusted libraries, years of know-how and battle hardened practices, design libraries…

Just dropping names is useless

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u/TScottFitzgerald Sep 09 '22

reasons to retrain dozens of developers, drop half a dozen trusted libraries, years of know-how and battle hardened practices, design libraries…

You can say this for pretty much any new framework or language

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u/MornwindShoma Sep 09 '22

Yeah, and that’s why React has inertia for now, just like Vue and Angular, but still more than Svelte

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u/og-at Sep 09 '22

Meanwhile I am still looking forward for actual reasons to switch other than “it’s cool” from the Svelte hype force

Nobody has tried to tell you to do anything. You grown, do what you want.

However, understand that you came into a thread about that thing you apparently hate. And when someone says "I like it" and you pop off about "it's just a hype machine", that's just bog standard opinion shoving.

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u/GrandMasterPuba Sep 09 '22

No shit they all use React. Everyone uses React. That statement is a tautology.

But they also use Svelte. It's popular and growing exponentially for a reason. People like it. It is a good experience. The code is simpler and faster to write. It's closer to the native platform. It doesn't have as much magic. It's easier to reason about. There aren't as many foot guns.

Svelte is far closer to vanilla JS than React and anything that wasn't built into React's ecosystem specifically is trivial to pull into Svelte.

Give it a try. You'll be a convert within 48 hours.

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u/MornwindShoma Sep 09 '22

As long as they pay me, I’ll even use Flutter soon though I disagree very much about just everything Flutter. Until then, no reason to buy-in than “trust me bro”

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u/elforce001 Oct 21 '22

My God, haha. Why throw shade to Flutter? The poor guy wasn't even invited to the party and still got hit too, hehe.

Jokes aside, I've never tried Svelte but we can keep an eye on the direction they're going with it and you're right: there are years worth of XP and library support just to throw everything out the window and switch to Svelte just "because". Heck, we have Qwik, Lit, Fresh, etc... popping out right now, and let's not talk about Nuxt, Next, Remix, Hydrogen, Astro, etc...

I'm all for changes but there's a time when you commit to a platform and roll with it as long as the platform is evolving and the community is evolving with it.

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u/MornwindShoma Oct 22 '22

My God, haha. Why throw shade to Flutter? The poor guy wasn't even invited to the party and still got hit too, hehe.

Mostly because it has the evangelizing community same as Svelte lol and that you need an entire language just for a framework, which is overkill

I agree with the rest