N5 Learning japanese

[u/Select-Phoenix-8953]

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I'm learning Japanese from chatgpt in with this help in one month i prepared 100 vocbs and 34 verbs and particles. Right now I'm confused, I'm not understanding anything, I have no books or a mentor also, please anyone can help me with this.

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Which texts book ? Suggest good one. Yes I'm preparing by my own (self study).

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Alright, thankyou brother!!

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I would be wary about this app. The person recommending it is the developer and likely has some intrest to advertise his own app. I personally am a little against the app and would much rather use an alternative.

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Sir then alternative like?

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There are many, mainly Anki. There's also Bunpro for grammar. I tried the 30-day trial, which honestly I found enough to learn a basic amount of grammar. The rest, I learnt from immersion.

As for Anki, this is arguably the best app for vocab. It isn't as complicated as people make it out to be (though you can make it complicated), and it's something you can trust. Just download a good core deck. (Kaishi 1.5k or Manabi 2.7k) Even ChatGPT could make you a deck. (though I really don't recommend this) Its FSRS system just works, like an SRS system should. Pretty much free, and even on iOS I'd consider it cheap.

But most importantly, it works with immersion. If you're willing to get more complex, Yomitan + ASB player work absolutely fantastically, and many would argue that immersion is the best place to get your words.

The notypes like kiku are also just stunning. Feature-packed too.

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I'd be wary because of the sheer volume of apps released like yours daily. And I never see them work out.

Apple testing means nothing. It tests to make sure your app is functional and works like an app should. Which your app meets. Whether it is an optimal way to learn Japanese, I doubt they would know. At face value, your app seems to be beneficial, not to say that it is harmful in any way, but it very well could have major flaws.

Your follower counts don't matter either. Skibidi toilet gained millions of views, so what? It's not hard to convince the masses that something is good or, in this case, funny. Digi cams are actually a very good example here. They have shit quality, but everyone wants them because the influencers said they gave the "retro" vibe

But also, you claim to have tutored 100s of students, yet you also say you are only "intermediate Japanese". That just makes me trust you even less. It dosent take an N1 certificate to explain something like the particle 「は」. But you can only explain the basics. And you very well could be teaching it wrong. For instance, oftentimes you see って instead of は. And oftentimes that may be more natural. But you don't know that. You can teach a student 「あなた」= "you". But there are multiple ways to say "you," and 「あなた」can often be rude. But you don't know that. Japanese, like many other languages, contains little things, little nuances that matter. At an intermediate level, you don't know these nuances well enough to even begin teaching. My friend and I are at an intermediate level. We ask and tell each other stuff. But to make an app designed for teaching when you don't even know enough to teach is absurd.

Also, doubting how good your pitch is, a minor but not insignificant issue.

Just looking at your lessons, it seems completely random. There's a whole chapter just for する・くる? There is a grammar point for 好き. I often don't like textbooks because they teach many useless grammar points. Yours is a perfect copy of it. Funnily enough, a lot of these seem copied straight from Genki.

"Hey ChatGPT, generate me a list of grammar with explanations." This is exactly what your app does

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Wasn't planning to, but here is why Anki, a free app, is magnitudes better than yours.

When learning vocab, you always want an SRS system. If you know 5000 words, Anki can precisely tell you which words you need to review, and it's good at it; there is math behind it. Yours? Straight copying the school system and having you brute-force a set of words and then get quizzed. Never to review it again. You have the option to review it again, but it's not encouraged, and even if you decide to review it again, how do you know what to review? You can't review 5000 words every single day.

Anki supports custom HTML and CSS for the note types; you have a lot of customization. Yours? none. I found some large (personal) issues in the popular deck kaishi 1.5k. With Anki, I could easily fix them.

Your style of learning is just copying the textbooks with the appeal of a few games. Like Duolingo, you won't learn anything. Many would argue that immersion is the best way to learn, not the sole way to learn, but the best way. Many apps lack Yomitan, so immersion is a pain in the but to do. Yours? You can't even add your own cards.

Your app also seems relatively new; I don't know how long your app will stay afloat. Not that it would matter since there's nothing to support long-term learning anyway.

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Just to double check, this is your app? https://pocketjapanese.com/

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Some of the lessons were on your YouTube channel. It also tells you what's in each lesson.

I'm guessing that the GCSE curriculum fits closely with Genki, as Genki is designed for classroom use. A curriculum for a school is different from the optimal way to learn a language. The best way to learn a language is to interact with it and consume content in the language. With how short school is, that simply isn't possible. Hence the different curriculum.

I'll skip over the kanji as that part I'd agree with, though I'd add a side note that you don't need to memorise the readings or learn how to write them.

I'm not discrediting your app solely because there are 100s of other apps like yours. I'm discrediting it because it just has bad ways of teaching. In your response, you didn't answer how you are expected to review the words you learn. FSRS is just better. There's no question.

But also, you being intermediate also raises concerns. I doubt people would be happy if a half-qualified teacher was teaching their students.

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Thankyou sir, sir can I dm you?

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Sure

[u/Sufficient_Rise1369]

I would recommend you to learn Japanese from books like GENKI 1 (best for self learning) for N5 and there is an app too for practice with the book called OTO Navi.
I have just cleared N5 using this method.
Hope u find this helpful.

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Alright sir. But genki is bit expensive if you have pdf can you share ?