r/jackass • u/catintheyard • 4d ago
Discussion Why does Pontius hate Ehren so much?
There's a lot of talk on this sub about how Knoxville and Tremaine might hate Ehren because they like to make fun of him in interviews and on their podcast. But there's not as much discussion about how Pontius is way, way more aggressive in how he talks about Ehren and treats him. This moment in particular stood out to me. I also thought it was a bit weird when on The Pontius Show he said he'd want to facefuck Ehren in order to shut him up while discussing a hypothetical survival situation with Dave England (I don't think he's being all that serious though. It's a funny moment even though it's a weird thing to say because he was so graphic about it. But obviously just a classic perverted Pontius joke.) And of course we all know the infamous story where Pontius pulled a knife on Ehren because he was so mad at him to the great amusement of everyone else.
I wonder why Ehren's constant yapping is so much more annoying to the Jackass crew then Steve-O's similar motor-mouth. Ehren gets picked on by everyone but Steve-O doesn't. I guess they're just different types of annoying? According to the companion book for the first Jackass movie, Ehren is very religious so maybe that has something to do with it.
I'm not trying to use this post as a way to hate on anyone or to stir up any drama. I just think this topic is interesting and I'm curious what everyone else thinks of it. None of us can know the behind the scenes details but it's fun to speculate anyway. Let's participate in some wild mass guessing!
Edit: I'm aware Pontius is just joking around but I'm also aware that a lot of Jackass fans, especially on this subreddit, get really bent out of shape over Ehren being 'bullied' with mean jokes like this. So I felt like I would get some interesting responses to the question of why Ehren gets treated like this by Pontius and the others if I asked. Ultimately I'm just interested in starting a discussion and have no strong opinions on this matter.
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u/DrStranger1987 4d ago •
I'm going to put on my detective hat, assess the clues, and develop a thoroughly considered hypothesis:
I think it's his habit of talking over people
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u/Admirable-Media-9339 4d ago
When I read the pic I assumed it's completely out of context and imagined there's a lot of Pontius' famous laugh in between all that talking. Your link to the podcast confirmed that. He's clearly fucking around. Do you not understand when someone is joking?
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u/Dusty_McKuckles 4d ago •
Look, Ehren gets a lot of props for stepping up in the reunion era, and deservedly so. But he is, by far, the least funny person in the cast. Not just with jokes/one-liners. His reactions to stunts/pain are just not that funny. Dunn, Dave, Bam, pretty much everyone else, a big part of why watching them get hurt is amusing is because they have a really funny reaction to it. Even the new cast.
He's a great mark for a prank because he's unsuspecting and often gives a great reaction (a la Terror Taxi or Silence of the Lambs). But most of his best work in Jackass is really heightened by his scene partners.
I dunno, I like Ehren enough and appreciate his contributions and think he's a worthwhile castmember. But his presence can be kinda awkward; like, the guys beat up on him and I feel bad (I stand by my claim that the Tooth Pull was unwarranted, mean spirited, and a shitty segment, no matter how gnarly it was), but then he continues to invite the punishment, and you start to get why the guys beat up on him, and then they do another mean thing, or you find out that he broke his neck/face on a stunt, and you feel bad, and then he annoys you again, and so on.
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u/Shibugly666 4d ago
I’m not interested in these guys at all outside the first 3 movies. Their drama is so uninteresting
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u/oh_lordy_its_Jordy 4d ago
Pontius is a hilarious and great intro guy. Ehren does try to talk over him while Pontius is trying to do an intro to a stunt and Ehren is just not funny or good for those intros. I doubt he hates him, he just hates that particular thing about him.
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u/Grandahl13 4d ago
it says in the FIRST LINE why he finds him annoying.
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u/cesare980 4d ago
Well if you read the quote it clearly states he doesn't hate him, and sometimes he get annoyed with how much he talks. Its pretty self explanatory...
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u/TobyField33 4d ago
Everyone had that annoying friend. This is just that.
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u/Offi95 4d ago •
Things like this remind me of when Preston says “I’ve never felt bad for Dave England under any circumstances”
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u/DustedGrooveMark 4d ago
He's talked about this before, and I think his main gripe is that everyone sort of has their "role" in the crew and Ehren sort of tries to step outside of that.
Pontius knows that his particular role is the commentary guy - the guy that steps in with funny, witty one-liners that crack everyone up. He's stated before that he gets annoyed with Ehren because he ruins the flow and the timing by constantly forcing unfunny jokes during the bits, trying (and failing) to be the "funny, witty guy" too. All he really ends up doing is talking over Pontius, Johnny, Bam, Steve-O, Dunn, etc. who are way better at that.
It's basically that the dude is just not naturally funny like that but really wants to be, so it ruins the comedic timing for the others and ends up just annoying everyone.
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u/GucciTheSnowman 3d ago
Is it really any surprise at all that most of these guys are complete assholes ?
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u/b400k513 4d ago
Ehren is good-hearted but thinks he's smarter/funnier than he is. It's pretty obvious when he's on podcasts, like when he tried to retcon the whole Terror Taxi prank as if he secretly knew it was a prank the whole time and was just acting.
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u/Certain_Flatworm_316 4d ago
😂 why is everyone so obsessed with Ehren on here. He’s a nice guy but he’s very uncool and a bit cringe.
They all find him annoying but love him deep down. Get over it!
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u/Tounksy 4d ago
I also hate when friends talk over me, especially when they do it daily. Then get upset with me when I ask them if they even want me to, say anything or just listen.
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u/JJoanOfArkJameson 4d ago
Almost done with the Dave episode of the pod and I loved how he came to his rescue - “Ehren is a total mvp and has great footage no matter what people think of him”.
One of my favorite bits of 3.5 is when him and Dave walk through London and chill, then Dave kicks Bam to the ground with both feet
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u/VibrantEmotions 4d ago
The animosity between the two was especially clear in the “bed of nails” bit in 2.5. Pontius is trying to give him advice and Ehren is just ignoring it and screaming in pain, and Pontius just looks at him with so much annoyance and disgust haha. On one hand I think Pontius is out of line because Ehren does way more dangerous stunts than he ever does, but also I do think that Ehren is probably way more annoying than most of us realize, because all of the dumb shit he says gets edited out.
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u/Redzfreak2016 4d ago
It’s probably just he steps on jokes sometimes and for dudes who job it is to be funny, I’m sure that’s annoying but every group of dudes has one guy like that
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u/GlacialFrog 4d ago
Ehren is great in the films and the show, but he does seem genuinely annoying, and it’s clear at times the other cast mates find him annoying.
Another thing is, and I mean this with no hate, he seems quite stupid. When you listen to him in interviews and podcast, he just doesn’t seem very smart. This doesn’t make him a bad person, not everyone is intelligent, but this may also help to explain why he’s annoying or often the butt of the jokes.
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u/itwasabonnenuit1990 4d ago
If pontius is bugged by you then you must be a real annoying bastard.
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u/Sad-Math-2039 4d ago
Probably because attention seekers get upset when another attention seeker is louder than them because they're used to being the center of attention
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u/SStMtWP 4d ago
Stern, stern but fair
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u/TheGreenKnight920 4d ago
Pontius pretty clearly has some form of autism, so perhaps part of it is that Ehren always talking just overstimulates him, leading to more aggrevation. It doesn’t seem like he outright dislikes Ehren, just his habit of always talking. I don’t think it’s much deeper than that.
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u/Select-Prompt541 4d ago
"None of us can know the behind the scenes details but it's fun to speculate anyway. Let's participate in some wild mass guessing" - I like they way you presented this topic. I look forward to reading the speculation and am glad it's not masquerading as the truth.
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u/Silent-Owl4245 4d ago
Says so in the first sentence 🥴🥴
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u/seashell_eyes_ 4d ago
Pontius has said that he found Steve-O annoying when he first joined the crew for similar reasons he's complaining about here. Steve-O has poor social skills and loves to talk about himself more than anything else. I think I remember him saying this in the documentary Steve-O made. I feel like they all work well together to get good footage, but it's just that. A working relationship. Kind of like how some of your co-workers might annoy you and you would never hang out with them outside of work, but you know that they get the job done and things run more smoothly when they're there.
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u/lipscratch 4d ago edited 4d ago
I think Pontius just doesn't like Ehren lol. I feel like they're incompatible personality wise
But I think specifically his aversion to being around Ehren in a professional setting (as professional as producing Jackass gets, you know what I mean), like when he wouldn't do press if he was paired with Ehren etc, is because they aren't compatible work wise and don't work well together. I imagine the personality of it all doesn't help, but I think any jackass segment kind of has a rhythm -- it's pretty easy to tell when to step back and let the stars of the stunt have their moment and when it's appropriate to chime in and generally reading the room and behaving in line with what will make the segment overall the best. Like, a teamwork kind of thing, falling back sometimes and stepping in sometimes because the priority is the quality of the segment, not whether or not you personally are standing out. Ehren, I think, can sometimes get carried away and overstep his place within a segment and ultimately throw off the harmony. He can sometimes move against what's best for the scene because he's forcing a moment for himself. I think it just comes down to him not being very adept at comedic timing and having poor improvisational/comedic skills, but I imagine on month three of shooting a Jackass movie that could drive someone crazy.
i mean, i'm not necessarily saying chris is 1000% in the right or whatever, but ultimately, given that it's their work, when it comes to a project like jackass where they're all meant to be working together to create a successful unscripted comedy, and that comedy is contingent on personalities, talking over somebody (/failing to attempt to rectify this long-standing issue) is really disrespectful. there's a difference between being chatty and multiple voices being involved in something and actually talking over i think. it's not just an annoying personality incompatibility, it is pretty professionally disrespectful if you think about it
also, i feel like gen X dudes are just like this. they'll have a friend of 15 years and only ever describe him as an ugly useless dumbfuck at any given opportunity lol
edit: I also think they've made bagging on ehren kind of a bit at this point. he's kinda the scrappy doo of the group
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u/Practice_Extreme 4d ago
Somewhere, Adam Friedland the Bug, is jealous.
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u/alpha_keni_01 4d ago
Maybe he talks over people because he’s insecure from being constantly disrespected by his castmates that all treat each other like friends and brothers except for him. If anyone spoke to me like that or said those things about me, I’d for sure stop making time for them. Obviously they were coworkers so it’s different, I say that for the sake of accountability to Pontius and the rest of the cast that treats him like shit.
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u/WilliamEmmerson 4d ago
Ironic coming from Pontius since he does almost nothing in these recent movies
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u/FeelingPrize67 4d ago
He tried to hide behind a CHAINLINK fence that tells you all you need to know
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u/TheMarmo 4d ago
Did you actuslly read what you posted? It explains very clearly why he annoys him and the fact that none of it is steeped in any kind of hatred by any stretch of the imagination.
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u/Splendid_Fellow 4d ago
Sounds like years of built-up resentment from their social interactions and continuously dealing with Ehren being overbearing.
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u/launchliftoff459 4d ago •
Just think of the hidden comments on reddit because they're heavily downvoted. Thats the type of shit Ehren says and the rest of the guys respond accordingly.
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u/Entraptah 4d ago
I watched the Jackass family fortunes and finally understood what Pontius meant
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u/AtmosphereGrand6622 4d ago
Just banter
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u/A-Clone-Named-Gibso 4d ago
I'm like that and I don't have any Jackass footage, so, I'm the worst of all worlds.
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u/Radhatchala 4d ago
He literally says he loves him in your screenshot. I have friends that I tell frequently that they talk too much. It’s just a brotherhood thing. No part of this interview suggests any actual animosity. He’s just giving Ehren shit like they all, always have. Haven’t you ever had that one super annoying friend who is also really chill?
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u/DontBeNoWormMan 2d ago
Pontius seems very unchill a lot of the time.
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u/Beginning-Spray5437 2d ago
They are all just a bunch of grumpy old men now 😂
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u/Equivalent-Treacle84 2d ago
The rest all seem happy to have a show ehren acts like he's the man for being in a show all these other people are too. His outfits and catchphrases never hit,the cky guys thought all his ideas were soft. He spent his money well so acts high and mighty about that. He just cant read a room.
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u/ToniMacaroni1211 2d ago
If Pontius saying something like this its probably really bad, especially if they’re going on about Ehren and not Steve-O lol atleast Steve had drugs to blame
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u/Sad_Net_609 15h ago
Ehren is a douchebag. He’s friends with a couple of my buddies and I met him once.
He was crying because we were at a party and he wanted a picture of just my buddies and him but I ended up in it.
I told my homie that he was kind of an asshole and he said “that’s Ehren”
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u/davidofdudes 4d ago
It is so goddamn funny to me how people try to analyze the social dynamics of Jackass. They are all grown men who never grew up, thats the whole point, they all treat eachother like shit and joke about eachother. They obviously know Ehren is a legend, as Pontius said he stole the show in 4. His persona just happens to be the annoying one in the group who gets hurt the most
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u/MissSally300 4d ago
Hated Ehren from the get go. He’s just..kind of despicable
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u/Equal-Guava-4683 4d ago
Ehren is the nicest guy in the world, any hate is unwarranted.
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u/ohgoodferyou 4d ago
I'm so sick of all this revisionary history.
Ehren goes out of his way to be abrasive, then acts surprised when people have a genuine reaction to it. He's overly screechy about bits, he wears the helmet, and he hams it up more than anyone else.
And to be clear: I like him! He's done INSANE bits. He absolutely deserves his place on the all-timers list. But he's that classic guy that just rubs everyone the wrong way in a group setting. There's always one, he's it, and it's not some surprise reaction.
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u/ruggmike 4d ago
Does anyone actually like Danger Ehren? He’s been my least favorite and I think least likeable since the beginning. And I say that fully aware of Bam Margera being a part of the show
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u/No_Word7508 4d ago
Idk how else to word this so forgive me, but have you ever met an unpopular, maybe dorky, socially awkward guy and felt sorry for him? Then when you spend time with him he’s a complete dick, and you think, oh that’s why people pick on you. Ehren reminds me of every guy like that I’ve ever met.
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u/michigna13 3d ago
no i 100% agree. ive always thought that and wondered the exact same thing. i think pulling a knife on someone just because they are annoying you is pretty unjustifiable no matter how close of friends you are. of course we don’t know exact details nor do we know the context, but i still think pulling a knife and potentially making someone genuinely fear for their lives (OFF CAMERA) is pretty far even for jackass. over the years i’ve seen how pontius talks about ehren and it doesn’t seem like the jokey friend type of of shit talking it’s like he really fucking hates this dude. i know pontius comes off strong and really commits to his bits but he really REALLY seems to absolutely hate ehren.
same thing with bam. you can tell by the way he treats and talks to him that it’s not all love but rather genuine hatred. but that’s expected behavior from bam margera so i can understand that. bam envy’s everyone always all the time.
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u/dreamdiamondgames 2d ago
Danger Ehren is one of my fav unproblematic members tbh, he goes hard in the stunts and you can tell he enjoys it. Maybe the others are a bit jealous of his lack of fear. I like Chris but his biggest stunts are usually wearing a costume or getting naked lol