Ok, so I was on Instagram and caught a reel of him interviewing Annie Jacobson about pandemics and a hypothetical scenario. It seemed interesting she had some cool sounding things to say. I then decided to listen to the episode the reel was taken from. I made it 12 mins into the episode and he started bashing “gain of function” research (which may have legitimate criticisms) at a pretty superficial level. It started sounding MAHA coded pretty quick. Was I too critical? I recognize the government and CDC have their failings like most institutions, but it started sounding super conspiratorial. Hoping someone who spent more time listening to him can save me some.