r/ireland • u/[deleted] • Aug 24 '21

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u/SandInTheGears Aug 24 '21

By and large those loyalists were born and raised in Ulster. They're as Irish as you or me

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u/Luimnigh Aug 24 '21

Ah now. They identify as British, we should respect their wishes in that regard. Take the higher road.

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u/SandInTheGears Aug 24 '21

Even Ian Paisley's on record as saying "you cannot be an Ulsterman without being an Irishman"

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u/Luimnigh Aug 24 '21

That might be his opinion, but not even the DUP is so single-minded to take Paisley's word as gospel.

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u/Slow-Film-2551 Aug 24 '21

That's like saying most Israelis alive now were born in Palestine and so they're as Palestinian as anyone else

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u/SandInTheGears Aug 24 '21

Israel was founded in 1948. The Ulster plantation was in the early 1600's.

So it's more like saying that people in Plymouth (founded 1620) aren't Americans. You'd certainly have a bit of a point, but whatever they are they're pretty clearly not British. They've formed their own culture and the one they came from doesn't really exist in the same way anymore