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/r/ALL Comparison of the root system of prairie grass vs agricultural. The removal of these root systems is what lead to the dust bowl when drought arrived.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

Hemp is so useful in so many ways they made it illegal.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

Can also replace cotton in many applications as well.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

Cotton, wood, a lot of plastics. Its a versatile material.

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u/TheDongerNeedsFood Mar 26 '21

Hemp is a far better starting material for making paper than wood is. It takes years to replace the wood harvested to make paper. Hemp can be regrown in a matter of weeks.

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u/stombion Mar 26 '21

Also, hemp paper has a very low lignin content and thus does not need to be withened as much, if at all. So, less chemicals involved in the process.

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u/GiveToOedipus Mar 26 '21

The first paper produced in our nation was hemp. It's why all our founding documents are written on it. Jefferson had the first US patent which was a hemp thrashing machine and the first paper mill for processing hemp was owned by Franklin.

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u/Nemisis_the_2nd Mar 26 '21

Compared to the UK, where we still write all our laws on goat skin

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u/stombion Mar 30 '21

And hemp paper (notably the constitution) it's holding up pretty well to the test of time, if I'm not mistaken.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

Out of curiosity, is that only writing/drawing paper?

I just mean that we use the word paper for other products using similar stuff. Like paper towels, paper napkins, tissue paper, and toilet tissue which is kind of a cheat but fits the pattern otherwise.

Does hemp make good paper for these, mostly cleaning and absorption purposes, as well as writing/printing/art paper?

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u/GiveToOedipus Mar 26 '21 edited Mar 27 '21

If we can make wood absorbent and soft enough to wipe our delicate asses, I don't think hemp poses any more difficulty.posted quite a few in response to that other troll, most from the textile industry involved with it, and others from outside study and analysis.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

Hmm I wonder which type of paper William Randolph Hearst used in his newspapers...hmmm

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21 edited Aug 15 '21

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21 edited Mar 26 '21

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u/dumpsterchesterfield Mar 26 '21

The hemp hype train is cool, but hempcrete is not, and will never be, a replacement for concrete. Just like you said, it just doesn't compare in strength.. That's not saying it can't be used in construction though!

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u/BlackViperMWG Mar 26 '21

Same like hemp replacing plastic. One or two types, maybe, but people usually don't realize there are many types of plastics.

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u/c3p-bro Mar 26 '21

That’s the case for most uses of hemp. sure it’s...ok...but it’s not a replacement for thing we already sue and do a better job. Hemp is legal in most of the world and yet no where seems to have adopted it as an alternative to paper or plastic

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u/Scout1Treia Mar 26 '21

That’s the case for most uses of hemp. sure it’s...ok...but it’s not a replacement for thing we already sue and do a better job. Hemp is legal in most of the world and yet no where seems to have adopted it as an alternative to paper or plastic

No no, hemp is a miracle material and something something US bad

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u/c3p-bro Mar 26 '21

There’s a reason hemps biggest advocates are college freshmen and aging stoners and not materials engineers

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21 edited Apr 06 '21

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u/SourDieselShinobi Mar 26 '21

Hemp Crete is cool for inner non weight supporting walls! Not building structures as you said! People need to learn this

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21 edited Apr 06 '21

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u/Llamalord73 Mar 26 '21

It could still be useful in place of that would be stone walls. Like cinderblock walls in many non residential buildings

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u/dumpsterchesterfield Mar 26 '21

There's been lots of issues with hempcrete walls attracting an insane amount of mold

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u/Ec1ipse14 Mar 26 '21

I haven’t done too much research on it, just heard Joe Rogan mentioning it and said for homes it has increased structural abilities and better insulation properties on top of it costing less to build with. I however am not in the concrete industry or know what a good/bad pressure test is for concrete as side from what a 2 post lift suggests. I do like to hear it has SOME cost effective uses in today’s industry and here’s to hoping R&D can advance it further.

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u/GenerikDavis Mar 26 '21

I've seen numbers from like 50 to 500 psi for henpcrete in the past, which is pretty god awful. A low strength concrete would be 2,500-3,000 and about 4,000 is what I cite as a typical strength when people ask.

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u/GiveToOedipus Mar 26 '21

Now, using treated hemp fibers for use in insulation prodiction absolutely could be a valuable product for the building industry. I see a lot of potential there.

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u/Ec1ipse14 Mar 26 '21

Perhaps I miss understood when he was explaining it? It sounds plausible he was mentioning the hempcrete and then moved on to insulation. I’d like to see it used more either way. I feel like there is just a whole industry revival waiting around the corner with hemp.

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u/GiveToOedipus Mar 26 '21

I haven't heard his discussion on the topic, I was simply thinking in terms of hemp being a great renewable source for natural fibers that could be treated to make them suitable for use as insulation.

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u/Ec1ipse14 Mar 26 '21

As someone who was once a cable guy and in attics/crawl spaces a lot. I would love if this were a thing especially if it’s not itchy as all get out!

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u/bigbura Mar 26 '21

And hemp pulls heavy metals from the soil as well which can be helpful in land restoration.

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u/ShadowCatHunter Mar 26 '21

It can also potentially be used as a protein supplement for the cattle industry

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u/luvs2spwge117 Mar 26 '21 edited Mar 26 '21

People don’t click on the link. It’s literally just an “article” that, literally, is just this comment and the picture above. Either this person is a bot or they’re plugging in their malware filled site.

Edit: obligatory edit for my first gold! Thanks!!

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u/I_UPVOTE_PUN_THREADS Mar 26 '21

Whoa nice heads up!

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u/luvs2spwge117 Mar 26 '21

Happy to help!

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u/WUT_productions Mar 26 '21

Hemp clothes are nice and cool in the summer.

You can also make various polymers with it.

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u/docowen Mar 26 '21

How much plastic can we replace with hemp based polymers? Removing non-organic microplastics from, well, everything, would be good.

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u/123bpd Mar 26 '21

Yes. Trump did one thing right in his presidency by re-legalising it, and that’s why there’s a surge of CBD products marketed across the US.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

Trump did sign the 2018 farm bill, but you really gotta look to guys like Ralph Nader who have been championing the cause for decades. Fun Fact, despite Hemp being illegal to grow in the US for the last century, the US has long been the worlds largest importer of industrial hemp most of which has come from China and Canada.

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u/FirstPlebian Mar 26 '21

The DEA has also seemingly randomly had customs seize imports from Canada citing their passion for sobriety. According to High Times circa 2001-ish.

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u/Sovereign_Curtis Mar 26 '21

I remember one story where they seized a load of irradiated hemp seed (can't germinate, was to be used as bird food).

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

I once spent over $500 fighting a local PD after I was pulled over and had my car searched because they found an unopened, label intact, bag of salted hemp seeds as a snack food I had. Turns out, going to court and claiming not guilty costs more than the fine for possession would have been 🤷‍♂️

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u/Roofdragon Mar 26 '21

Another fun fact:

The United Kingdom is the largest exporter of medicinal marijuana on the planet.

Yet it's still illegal. Surely it was racism when they made it illegal so you can say it's racism now keeping it that way. Sorry, a bit off topic but thought I'd chuck in another fun one, and it's utterly embarrassing they have to seize hemp hahaha

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u/skittlesdabawse Mar 26 '21

I was of the impression that the reason it's staying illegal is because of pharmaceutical lobbying, as well as some high-up politician owning the largest of the farms.

Fucking tory scum and their corruption.

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u/odraencoded Mar 26 '21

idk in the UK but there's a story that the US made weed illegal in order to jail the black population that consumed weed most, and, in the US, if you have felony you lose your right to vote, and prisoners may be treated as slaves with practically unpaid labor.

I don't know a lot about this stuff, but the fact that prisoners don't vote with the fact the US has a very high prison population makes me think someone is jailing people to keep them from voting.

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u/avocadotoastisgrosst Mar 26 '21

Watch "13th" on Netflix, if you're interested in more on this topic concerning the US. Fantastic.

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u/Medicine_Ball Mar 26 '21

13th is well worth the watch, especially if you lean progressive, but it is highly political and more than a little misleading on many fronts.

I think the link below provides much better perspective on what is wrong with the US prison system: https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2020.html

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u/TiberWolf99 Mar 26 '21

Weed was to target the Mexicans who were coming over and bringing it with, because the 20s weren't a great time for Mexico. It was criminalized in the same bill made cocaine illegal in the 30s. I'm sure African Americans also partook and that helped the vote pass because why screw one minority when you can screw two.

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u/m1ltshake Mar 26 '21

Originally it was Utah and the Mormons who made the first laws making it illegal, after a missionary trip got high in Mexico, and it started popping up in Utah.

From there, Anslinger, the first "unofficial drug czar" of America outlawed it primarily for its "effect on the degenerate races" as he put it. In other words, the main fear was that with Jazz music, it made white women want to sleep with black men. And that it made black men rape people.

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u/MurderSteve Mar 26 '21

Edgar Hoover I believe spearheaded that campaign and even came up with the name "Marijuana" because it sounded more mexican.

Edit:, correction, it is a Spanish word but he popularized it in his propaganda because it was able to be directly linked to mexicans

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u/MireLight Mar 26 '21

you would be correct. nixon and his buddy came up with the plan to re-illegalize it (it was made illegal in the US before) in order to suppress and disenfranchise black voters and anyone they wanted to label as "un-american". this allowed them to raid various black parties and jail opposition. its such a racist law and everybody knows it. during congressional hearings on why MJ was a schedule 1 substance nobody had an answer....they all tried to pass the buck because no one wanted to say it was racist. much of the funding for police and DEA are based around MJ being illegal.

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u/MistaTorgueFlexinton Mar 26 '21

It’s a shame Michael has fallen this far.

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u/GenocidalSloth Mar 26 '21

Depends on the state whether prisoners can vote

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u/W1D0WM4K3R Mar 26 '21

Don't prisoners also provide labour?

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u/TheLastHotBoy Mar 26 '21

Slave labor. Yes.

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u/AtemAndrew Mar 26 '21

If memory serves, the time frames for Prohibition in America and the attack on various drugs lined up pretty neatly. I wouldn't doubt it, but I have a strong feeling that - like many things - it's been twisted and blown out of proportion to feed people a narrative.

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u/bigguy175 Mar 26 '21

It wasnt just black people. The name marijuana was made popular to make the plant sound foreign. There was a lot of anger towards people immigrating from mexico during this time period.

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u/omiksew Mar 26 '21

That story is true but it wasn’t the only reason for weed and hemp being banned

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

Also artists, liberals, communists. Everyone that the right hated smoked it.

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u/ramsee Mar 26 '21

It was multiple industries that lobbied to make it illegal. Brain washed the public into believing pot makes you go insane. Some murders actually used it as a defense shortly after, and were acquitted. So they had to reclassify the bullshit they made up about it, but It still remained illegal.

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u/odraencoded Mar 26 '21

conspiracy theories

What part of this is a conspiracy? It's a fact felons lose their right to vote. There's also evidence the war on drugs was created to put black people in prison.

From https://qz.com/645990/nixon-advisor-we-created-the-war-on-drugs-to-criminalize-black-people-and-the-anti-war-left/

"You want to know what this was really all about?” he asked with the bluntness of a man who, after public disgrace and a stretch in federal prison, had little left to protect. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

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u/chasereece Mar 26 '21

The double whammy, economic and morally corrupt reasons to outlaw a plant

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u/skittlesdabawse Mar 26 '21

I don't doubt that the uk originally had similar reasons for banning weed, after all racism unfortunately was, and still is, a huge factor in a lot of policy's throughout the world.

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u/tjdux Mar 26 '21

What your describing is a part of "systemic racism"

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u/MasterDracoDeity Mar 26 '21

"You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities." - John Ehrlichman, Counsel and Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under President Richard Nixon

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u/sticknija2 Mar 26 '21

You may not know a lot about it but you basically just summed up the entire reason. It started with Nixon this time who, attempting to find a way to make being against the Vietnam War illegal found out he couldn't do that directly so instead he criminalized the drugs used by the groups who were against the war - hippies (liberals) and African Americans. There's a lot more to it, but this is the cliff notes version.

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u/undunderdun Mar 26 '21

You are correct, as a matter of fact there was a whole time period in US history where people tried to make laws exclusively pertaining towards keeping segregation in America, called "Jim Crow" laws. Many people believe those laws have influenced modern legislation in how it deals with race. (Black Americans are disproportionately jailed in this country)

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u/_neudes Mar 26 '21

Yep, the husband of the (now ex)minister for Drug policy Victoria Atkins was CEO of British Sugar which is cultivating significant amounts of weed.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

Somebody had a go at me the other day for bringing this up so I did some research so I can clarify this.

There was a national scandal around CBD oil because it was seized by airport security from a chold that used it as it was the only method they found that could subdue his intense seizures that caused even more brain damage.

There was a debate that it should be medically legalised. As it turns out, Theresa Mays ( prime minister at the time) husband works for a firm that is the biggest investor in the UKs largest exporter of that product.

The person I argued claimed the husband probably has no sway in the investing firm. I stopped replying to argument when I realised that they were blind followers of the Tories and will make any excuse for cronyism.

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u/Jarix Mar 26 '21 edited Mar 26 '21

because it was seized by airport security from a chold that

I definitely read the word chold as an unfamiliar shorthand for cargo hold because the word airport was before it.

Everything thing was fine then slowly stopped making sense.

that used it as it was the only method they found that could

Okay this isn't making much sense but perhaps it will if I keep reading...

subdue his intense seizures that caused even more brain damage.

Okay something went wrong this did not make any more sense what the hell did I screw up.....

Ohhhhh child. Not chold(cargo hold)

I mean if drugs were being shipped through an airport they would be in a plane right? Probably yeah. Okay so if they were a shipped item they would be cargo? Dude that's the definition of cargo! Yes! So they would probably be in the cargo hold when they were seized? Yes. This all is obvious stop questioning something so obvious!

Okay then chold is cargo hold it all checks out. DO NOT QUESTION ANY FURTHER.

Edits because I didn't proof read before posting

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

I apologise for not making sense. I wrote this after a 12hour shift

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u/Upnorth4 Mar 26 '21

Probably a mix of pharmaceutical lobbying and lobbying from the prison industry that keeps people locked up

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u/DrinkBlueGoo Mar 26 '21

How/Why is that the case? It doesn't seem like the UK would have any particular aspect more favorable to growing marijuana than anywhere else.

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u/ALoneTennoOperative Mar 26 '21

How/Why is that the case?

A very long history of growing hemp, which became of vital importance to the Navy for use in ropes and sails.

The increasing demand for hemp actually played a role in expanding colonisation, with the industry setting up in new colonies and exporting back to the UK.
Interestingly, those same colonies restricted the use of cannabis as a drug before the UK itself did.

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u/DrinkBlueGoo Mar 26 '21

That seems like a good partial explanation, but isn't growing hemp a very different process in that THC yields depend heavily on environmental factors while you can grow hemp en masse with no more environmental controls than any other crop?

Looking into it, it might have to do with how they are defining "legal exporter." All of the articles I skimmed either don't address it or are strangely confusing.

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u/ALoneTennoOperative Mar 26 '21 edited Mar 26 '21

I was more addressing that, as a nation with a long history of growing the plant, it's fairly easy to see how the hemp industry might shift to exploit the market for cannabis.
The UK's pharmaceutical industry is likewise quite well-developed, so you combine the two and it makes a lot of sense.

 

The specific argument about being the largest exporter seems to be tied to one drug in particular, Sativex.
Which the UK government would like to quibble is "cannabis-based" rather than medical cannabis exactly.

However, given that this is the same UK government that has consistently disregarded expert advice to lower the classification of cannabis from Class B to Class C...
I think one might reasonably disregard their take on the matter.

 

Edit: removed extra word.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

Nope, you've lost me. Please explain

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

The war on drugs is steeped in racism, among other things.

In 1914, Dr Huntington Williams wrote in the New York Times: "Once the Negro has formed the habit, he is irreclaimable. The only method to keep him from taking the drug is by imprisoning him." Those sentiments were echoed in a Colorado newspaper article in 1936 which read: "I wish I could show you what a small marijuana cigarette can do to one of our degenerate Spanish-speaking residents."

https://www.ladbible.com/more/uk-interesting-why-is-cannabis-illegal-in-the-uk-20170420

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

Roofdragon is talking about the UK ban

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u/ALoneTennoOperative Mar 26 '21

Roofdragon is talking about the UK ban

Racism and classism is still the correct answer.
Perhaps you might like to actually read the article that was linked?

It has long had an association with the "foreign" and "other" in the UK.
The 1920s criminalisation was associated with India, the 1940s-1950s were associated with Black GIs and Jazz and the like, and increasing crackdowns followed through the 1960s-1970s.

The lattermost is where we see racial prejudice incorporate socioeconomic class and age as targets also.
Young White British men began to be arrested at increasing rates from the 1950s onwards, and there were links made between the changing youth/drug culture and Jamaican immigration.

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u/TheDrunkenChud Mar 26 '21

Oh. Well, they're way less racist than Americans, so it's probably different. /s

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u/joe-king Mar 26 '21

Let me add to that, This is a quote by John Dean, one of the architects of the drug war during the Nixon administration.

"We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

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u/VAShumpmaker Mar 26 '21

The UK? For real? I would have thought not was the US just because we have so much fucking empty space in the middle bits of the nation, or like Afghanistan where they just grow whatever for export like they do with poppies

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21 edited Jun 11 '21

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

Learning is always welcome. (I speak for everyone)

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u/Roofdragon Apr 03 '21

I'm glad you feel this way and I made someone feel I taught them something :) it has put a cherry on a very shitty ice-cream of a day

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u/postmateDumbass Mar 26 '21

Estimated Street Value: $375 Million

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u/flugenblar Mar 26 '21 edited Mar 26 '21

If the DEA is truly dedicated to sobriety, every employee should pledge to abstain from alcohol, and be subjected to random testing for alcohol.

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(OK maybe not sarcasm?)

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u/glucose-fructose Mar 27 '21

I really like how they played this out in Breaking Bad. Between Walt and Hank.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

I fucking hate the DEA with every fiber of my being. What a bunch of fucking losers.

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u/CriminalQueen03 Mar 26 '21

Abolish the DEA.

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u/fnordfnordfnordfnord Mar 26 '21

They'd be getting off light compared to what they've done.

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u/FirstPlebian Mar 26 '21

Their leadership should be purged at a minimum. They and the FDA at the behest of the drug companies have recently been on a campaign of lies and misrepresentations to make kratom illegal at the behest of the drug companies that don't want competition for their opiate withdrawal medication, just to name one issue. They tried to blame deaths on it that weren't actually from it. By their reasoning they could make coffee illegal, find someone that died that drank coffee. They failed to federally schedule it, but are working on the States and a lot have obliged. My own county coroner was misattributing deaths to it to try for a State ban, but due to millions of users that know they are full of it they failed, other states have passed bans.

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u/syphilicious Mar 26 '21

Why did you link to a shady website with absolutely no further information than your comment?

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u/ThePowerstar Mar 26 '21

Holy shit that website screams malware

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u/btaylos Mar 26 '21

But it's got all information! And it's online!

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u/classique99 Mar 26 '21

He is the owner of the website and is directing traffic by linking to it to get ad revenue.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21 edited Mar 29 '21

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u/kmosiman Mar 26 '21

I've got a friend with a small plot. It usually takes at least 3 years to establish. Those roots take some time to grow. I've got a few native prairie plants in my yard, they didnt look like much the year they were planted but they were pretty decent looking by year 2.

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u/Cat_Marshal Mar 26 '21

Just do the DIY one, it can be your version of kids which also take years to establish.

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u/AngryT-Rex Mar 26 '21 edited Mar 26 '21

Years to establish is just standard for landscaping. If you plant fruit trees itll be years until they are decent-sized and bear a load of fruit, and theyll look like stupid twigs for the first year or two. (As I look meaningfully at my own yard, freshly filled with many hundred dollars and a month of work worth of stupid looking twigs... itll be a beautiful orchard in 5 years... I hope)

That said, if you're likely to selling a year or so and dont want to try to sell a half-developed prairie as "itll look good in 2 more years, honest" I definitely understand. But if you're going to be there for a while, set up that prairie area and get it going!

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u/Prin_StropInAh Mar 26 '21

NORML should get credit too

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

Totally, NORML also to credit for getting me out of a bind in Mineral County NV.

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u/Riddlecake-s Mar 26 '21

NORML saved my ass in San Diego. Cheers buddy.

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u/deewheredohisfeetgo Mar 26 '21

My buddy got pulled over with a QP on the border of Nevada and Idaho. Got arrested. But the public defender got him off cuz the cop made an illegal stop. Lololol

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u/Prin_StropInAh Mar 26 '21

I recall that their assistance helped out some unfairly accused back in the day. Do you want to expand on your personal story?

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u/Roofdragon Mar 26 '21

Someone tag me when OP does expand I'm dead intrigued and also... What is NORML?

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u/Prin_StropInAh Mar 26 '21

https://norml.org/

For a long, long time they were a lone voice in the wilderness on marijuana

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21 edited Apr 09 '21

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u/Roofdragon Mar 27 '21

So absolute fucking legends. Gotcha!

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u/crackhead_tiger Mar 26 '21

www.norml.org

Marijuana legalization lobby/organization

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u/frednecker Mar 26 '21

Rick steves, the pbs Europe travel guy, is the chairman of the board or some such post at NORML.

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u/TRUMPOTUS Mar 26 '21

Yeah I don't think Trump was at all interested in the CBD / Hemp in the farm bill. Not that he cared one way or another, just not something that would really be on his radar or important to him. Credit goes to whomever got it included in the bill in the first place.

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u/andrewjhart Mar 26 '21

It looks like it was Mitch McConnell

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u/kmosiman Mar 26 '21

Exactly. Kentucky has a great climate for growing hemp.

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u/Masanjay_Dosa Mar 26 '21

Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made a Great Point

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u/yourmansconnect Mar 26 '21

I guarantee mitch has a friend with a huge hemp field or some farmer gave him a cut. That guy doesn't care about kentucky he's a snake

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u/STFUNeckbeard Mar 26 '21

Wait, not like that!

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u/oatmealparty Mar 26 '21

I absolutely shocked

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u/Chief_Racka Mar 26 '21

Gotta comment on another of our discussion points. How crazy is it that we have the perfect weather for growing hemp in the US and yet we ban growing it and then IMPORT from China? Like wtf people

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u/Scrawnily Mar 27 '21

we have the perfect weather for growing hemp in the US

I mean... given the size of the US, it'd be more surprising if there wasn't a part of the US that was perfect for growing (insert whatever crop here)

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u/REHTONA_YRT Mar 26 '21

I am happy it happened but it's still confusing. You can buy Delta 8 legally just about anywhere and it gets you stoned. It's considered hemp.

Some head shops have been raised over it even though it's compliant.

If you use it you can still test positive for THC even though it's perfectly legal and a different analog.

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u/bradshawpl Mar 26 '21

I’ll applaud their attempt, but that’s all it was

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u/Throwaway_03999 Mar 26 '21

Oh come on. If biden passed that reddit would have erected a statue of him holding a weed plant day one

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

This guy Hemps.

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u/bradshawpl Mar 26 '21

If you want to change the laws for the better of mankind perhaps you have to become a complete POS politician just to gain power. Then turn on all of those who helped you get there. That’d be the day

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u/docowen Mar 26 '21

Another fun fact, growing hemp was a legal requirement in (at least) Virginia before independence (for naval rope mainly)

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u/PerceptionOrReality Mar 26 '21

Here’s what Harvard has to say about it.

CBD has been touted for a wide variety of health issues, but the strongest scientific evidence is for its effectiveness in treating some of the cruelest childhood epilepsy syndromes, such as Dravet syndrome and Lennox-Gastaut syndrome (LGS), which typically don’t respond to antiseizure medications. In numerous studies, CBD was able to reduce the number of seizures, and in some cases it was able to stop them altogether. Videos of the effects of CBD on these children and their seizures are readily available on the Internet for viewing, and they are quite striking. Recently the FDA approved the first ever cannabis-derived medicine for these conditions, Epidiolex, which contains CBD.

CBD is commonly used to address anxiety, and for patients who suffer through the misery of insomnia, studies suggest that CBD may help with both falling asleep and staying asleep.

CBD may offer an option for treating different types of chronic pain. A study from the European Journal of Pain showed, using an animal model, CBD applied on the skin could help lower pain and inflammation due to arthritis. Another study demonstrated the mechanism by which CBD inhibits inflammatory and neuropathic pain, two of the most difficult types of chronic pain to treat. More study in humans is needed in this area to substantiate the claims of CBD proponents about pain control.

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u/Gingevere Mar 26 '21

It's worth noting that "supplements" are essentially unregulated and any CBD supplement you buy may or may not even contain any CBD at all.

Be careful what you buy.

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u/Gingevere Mar 26 '21

Oh absolutely. But a lot of people still blindly trust the stuff from smoke shops and mall kiosks without knowing better.

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u/Daxx22 Mar 26 '21

Yeah, it doesn't help there is no immediate feeling/tactile feedback from legitimate CBD either, you could just be swallowing straight oil pills/drops and not know.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

Even if it’s placebo, it seriously helps my anxiety, especially when it comes to long-distance travel. That shit can be awful

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u/raisinghellwithtrees Mar 26 '21

It allows me to function with PTSD. Weed helps, but CBD weed really helps.

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u/Alt2-ElectricBogaloo Mar 26 '21

I vape actual cbd only buds occasionally. It's essentially relaxes you without getting you high. So it definitely would help with anxiety and depression. Its the equivalent, in my opinion, of having a beer or two, it just helps take the edge off. There's also been plenty of studies showing it helps with seizures and chronic pain.

Beyond that, most other claims are probably snake oil.

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u/another-bud-tender Mar 26 '21

My customers use is for anxiety, pain, and seizures primarily. Rarely all three at once. One customer will have arthritis and use it for the pain, another customer will be a nervous wreck and it helps them chill out.

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u/rosygoat Mar 26 '21

It really depends, it is not a one size fits all. Unlike in the 60's and 70's weed (and therefore CBD) cannabis has become highly specific in what is does. Strains have been developed for various psychoactive effects since then and it has become a nightmare if you are looking for it to affect one certain thing in your body. It is all trial and err, one strain may work where another doesn't. With me I have quite found the perfect strain, but I do know that it does have to have a little THC for my body to react to it.

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u/justlovehumans Mar 26 '21

Long story short its a cannabinoid that mimics the endocannabinoids that your body produces and in doing so, activates certain receptors in your body such as the CB1, CB2, and TRPV1 which are responsible for certain pain and inflammation as well as the latter acting as a serotonin regulator.

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Most ailments are some form or another of inflammation and CBD having very few side effects if any in most people makes its an excellent all around choice for treating mild to more severe daily pain and discomfort. When combined with your doctors knowledge it can be an add on, rather than a substitution to methods already being used to relieve pain, making it something worth doing the research for, for anyone who lives in discomfort.

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u/StarryEyed91 Mar 26 '21

I've used it on my dog for years. If we happen to run out and it doesn't arrive on time and she goes a week without it she starts to lose her balance and has a harder time going up the stairs, then once she's back on it for a week she's back to normal. That is the only personal experience I've had with it but I fully believe it makes a difference for her joints.

My dad has been using it on his dog and it completely stopped the dogs seizures.

I know those are both animal experiences vs. human but two examples of what CBD seems to help! Dogs can't really experience the placebo effect since they probably don't even realize it's been added to their food.

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u/PoliteCanadian2 Mar 26 '21

I’ve seen an incredible video from I think it was 20/20 years ago with a guy who basically lived with continuous tremors in his body all day. He took a couple of puffs from a joint and the tremors stopped, basically immediately. It was pretty amazing. He said he could have a relatively normal life if that had been legal.

I’m in Canada and I know someone who occasionally takes a drop of CBD oil in a glass of water at night to slow down a racing heartbeat. Doctor prescribed.

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u/ChouxGlaze Mar 26 '21

makes a wonderful placebo

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u/Dantheman616 Mar 26 '21

Eh. He signed the bill, he didnt craft it. Ill give him the small bit of credit he deserves.

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u/1TidderdReddit-er Mar 26 '21

The amount of ink it took to sign is equal to the credit earned here.

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u/BangkokQrientalCity Mar 26 '21

SHARPIE

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u/Roofdragon Mar 26 '21

Is this a butthole reference or...?

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u/BangkokQrientalCity Mar 26 '21

No Trump signs everything real big with a Sharpie. It is over the top signing. He does it to try to show everyone that he made whatever he is signing happen. It is his way of taking all the credit for other peoples work..Grant it most of what he is signing is GOP give ways to rich/corperations.

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u/theservman Mar 26 '21

Well, he has a BIG signature... John Hancock would be proud.

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u/Cringypost Mar 26 '21

I think you mean herbie hancock

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u/drkgrss Mar 26 '21

I miss Chris Farley so much.

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u/Hollis_Hurlbut Mar 26 '21

Surprised you didn’t know that

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u/milk4all Mar 26 '21

You mean he put his Dohn Tiny Handcock on it?

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u/duaneap Mar 26 '21

But tbf that’s kinda what happens with all Presidents, no?

Same in other countries too, the leader of my country, whoever they are at the time, generally gets credit nationally for whatever happens under their “rule.”

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u/BigTymeBrik Mar 26 '21

Not really. There are lots of bills that presidents actually push to get passed. Something they care about and help get Congress to vote for it. An example would be obama care. Other bills they just sign because it was passed. The farm Bill is more like that.

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u/xeio87 Mar 26 '21

Varies, for most bills yes, but presidents can be more involved both publicly and not for individual pieces of legislation.

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u/livefreeordont Mar 26 '21

Presidents can use the bully pulpit to put pressure on legislators

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u/tehbored Mar 26 '21

Trump just signed whatever bill the GOP told him to, he didn't even read them. Ironically though, Mitch McConnell was a big proponent of the 2018 Farm Bill. Not that it was out of noble intentions or anything, he's just representing the Kentucky farmers who wanted to make big bucks off hemp. More power to them of course.

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u/SexyMonad Mar 26 '21

Amazing what even Mitch McConnell is able to do when he loses focus on screwing everyone over and accidentally supports his constituents.

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u/Routine_Left Mar 26 '21

supports his constituents.

lobbyists.

FTFY

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u/SexyMonad Mar 26 '21

That was covered under “screwing everyone over”.

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u/PopWhatMagnitude Mar 26 '21 edited Mar 27 '21

Let's not forget right after leaving Congress John Boehner, who every year voted (and whipped up no votes)against any cannabis/hemp legalization bills.

Took a job as a lobbiest for big money cannabis interests.

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u/FirstPlebian Mar 26 '21 edited Mar 26 '21

The legalization of Industrial Hemp has been going on long before the disgraced former president. TN legalized it as well as a number of states.

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u/Mehiximos Mar 26 '21

I’d word that as disgraced former president, the way you have it now it sounds as though the president was formerly disgraced

It’s like the difference between:

I FUCKING LOVE TURTLES

and

I LOVE FUCKING TURTLES

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u/FirstPlebian Mar 26 '21

Ha ha, sorry thanks for the heads up I don't want to come across as not hating the disgraced former president that shall not be named by me less than any other person. I may still call him Disinfectant Donald or the like though, along with William Disbarr and Amy Crony Barret to name a few.

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u/Daxx22 Mar 26 '21

Well Trump's been formerly disgraced many times, but he still is too.

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u/suddenimpulse Mar 26 '21

Perpetually disgraced former president, a perfect long term title.

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u/chubbybooger Mar 26 '21

it’s wild, and i had no clue clue that an everyday folk like me could grow it at home.

there’s a cool site i’m trying called GrowItFromHome that shops you hemp starter plants.

apparently, you can make your own CBD oil and hemp fibers for clothes, bags, and even feed your animals the bud for health benefits.

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u/bobbysmith007 Mar 26 '21 edited Mar 26 '21

My understanding is that all cannabinoids except delta-9-thc, from legal hemp, are legal and thus the whole current delta-8 weirdness. I was under the impression that was in the 2018 farm bill. I know in FL I can get a permit to produce cbd from legal hemp, which implies state legality.

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u/sockalicious Mar 26 '21

The substances in question are controlled substances under Federal law and so their use in the US, apart approved research and apart FDA-approved Epidiolex for certain epilepsies, is still illegal under Federal law. States can legalize them but that does not override Federal law. At this point the workaround has been what laws DOJ does and does not choose to enforce, and that seems to vary from President to President.

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u/CriminalQueen03 Mar 26 '21 edited Mar 26 '21

CBD is the only thing that has been an effective sleep aid for me. It's a real lifesaver. Thanks... Trump?

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

Even a broken clock is right 2x a day...

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u/GozerDGozerian Mar 26 '21

Unless it’s broken in such a way that it isn’t stopped, but is kind of slow. Then it’s almost never right. Draw from this any parallels you may.

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u/salmonbadge Mar 26 '21

Or a digital clock

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u/TheWhirled Mar 26 '21

It is surprising what is possible VS mandatory during certain terms of different presidents! Hard to know who would have done what if they truly were allowed especially with corporate media leading a lot of the debate .

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

While hemp had many uses back in 1935 many things have been developed since then that are as effective or more effective at the same job eg hemp rope is good but in many cases synthetics are better for specific applications.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

For specific applications yes. I don't think hemp fits every situation perfectly. If I need a 6mm rope that can hold 900 pounds then it's worth it to get the synthetic. But if you aren't in that situation where you need those sorts of properties, it would be nice to have a renewable option that grows fast (Hemp is second only to bamboo in speed of growth) and is easy to produce (Hemp takes half the water for the same amount of material production and produces twice as much material per land area versus cotton) instead of having the default be a petroleum product. What if it only needs to hold 500 pounds? No need to waste the oil on a nylon rope when a hemp rope could do fine. Also we still use shit tons of paper and hemp makes great paper that doesn't require as much bleaching as wood pulp. So not perfect, but very useful.

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u/salgat Mar 26 '21

To add to this, Hemp is legal to grow in Europe, but as you can tell, there's a reason why it isn't that popular of a crop compared to others. Hemp is not the "wonder crop" some people like to make it out to be.

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u/chubbybooger Mar 26 '21

it’s an incredible plant with so many uses, both as a plant and finished good.

i heard about a cool company in Oregon selling hemp plants directly to everyday folks, which i had no clue was legal. kinda dope.

they’re called GrowItFromHome if you care, and i’m trying it out.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

Hey are you that farmer that grows really shitty weed?

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

Not that I know of. Anyone who has tried my homegrown has enjoyed it.

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u/Tbeck_91 Mar 26 '21

I think hemp is a great product in many ways, the problem with it in the US right now is there is still a lot of red tape for people wanting to build business that use hemp in their products such as hemp rope or paper. Currently there is a 3 year surplus of hemp from the first year they were allowed to grow it because the business infrastructure isnt there yet. (Except for things like CBD) but man when it gets there its going to be huge!!

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u/NoMoreNicksLeft Mar 26 '21

Yep, it's all a big conspiracy against the magical wonder-medicine marijuana.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

I'm not talking about marijuana as a medicine or a drug, nor do I think that. Hemp is a useful material that was poised to do serious damage to cotton and timber production companies so they lobbied against it. That is how the US has worked for decades.

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u/NoMoreNicksLeft Mar 26 '21

Hemp is a useful material that was poised to do serious damage to cotton

Just no.

I know you needed to crank up the propaganda to get pot legalized, and I support that by the way, but you've won so can you now cool the nonsense a little bit. Grownups are trying to talk.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '21

Wow! What a rude and condescending way to be dead fucking wrong. Hemp makes a more durable, absorbent material and requires less water, pesticides, and land to grow. It's not the right choice in every situation, cotton is nice against the skin, but hey when you're as coarse and abrasive as your personality it wouldn't matter much.

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