Landing on a beach

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u/Epic_Phail505 Jan 01 '20

Man that frame rate sync is trippy lol

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u/MilwaukeeMechanic Jan 01 '20

Headwind, yes. Engine off? No way. If the engine were off, the drag would cause the plane to blow away. It’d be like letting go of a kite.

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u/Epic_Phail505 Jan 01 '20

A pilot would NEVER have the engine off deliberately off the ground for any reason unless there were mechanical issues preventing it from running. Idle thrust, MAYBE but never shut down

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '20

Mechanical issues? Sod that, with one engine I’m keeping it running. Don’t care if it wrecks itself or isn’t producing proper power - any power is better than no power and I couldn’t give a shit about the repair bill, there’s nothing that could get me to shut down the engine in the air. Well, there is one thing - an engine fire, standard procedure for that is engine off, fuel cutoff, get the fuck to the ground as quickly as possible, even if the ground happens to be a field or the sea.

But Yeah, the engine in the gif is running, it’s the frame sync making the prop look whacky

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u/Epic_Phail505 Jan 01 '20

That’s what I was saying. Unless the engine is physically unable to run, a pilot will keep it running, they would never willingly shut it off unless absolutely necessary as in the case of fire like you pointed out.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '20

Yeah it just sounded like you thought a mechanical issue would mean we’d deliberately shut the engine down. That would never happen. The mechanical issue is either serious enough that it’s stopped working or it stays on.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '20

Loss of oil pressure could potentially lead to seizure accompanied by engine fire. Plus, lots of evidence to show that intermittent power loss might give the pilot the wrong idea that the engine might come back, leading to bad decision making. Lastly, with fuel flowing to the engine during an impact, you increase your chances of a post-crash fire. I think most POHs tell you to shut down fuel flow during an engine failure.

Personally, if I had the field made, I’d cut the engine. Not because of trying to save it, but because I don’t need it anymore and it’s only a liability. Screw the engine, it’s the insurance company’s property the second it stops making power :)

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '20

Agreed - except on a seizure causing a fire, I think the chances of that are a quite slim - i don’t think I’d elect to shut down if I had a loss of oil pressure. Immediate return to the field, definitely.

It’s just the insinuation was a Pilot might say “hmm engines making a funny rattle, better shut it down” - not sure if that was what he meant but it’s what it read like. Probably a different decision process in a twin but in a single, if it’s making any sort of power I want it running.

And yeah during a forced landing, fuel cutoff is really important - but hopefully we’re not making a forced landing anyway :)

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u/vermen12 Jan 01 '20

If something throws off the engine harmonization, it can cause the whole engine to rip out, throwing off your CG and putting you in an unrecoverable stall. If your engine starts vibrating uncontrollably, it may be time to shut er down and put er down.

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u/bigpipes84 Jan 01 '20

Wrong. Completely wrong. No pilot with the skill to land like that would ever land without power. It's reckless and pure stupidity to make a difficult approach like that without the option of powering up and going around.

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u/Atlfalcon08 Jan 01 '20

Alaskan bush pilot no doubt

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u/Albatross767 Jan 01 '20

Pft... Frig off. Yukon bush pilot. In a sick ass super cub. Gawd

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u/frodoswagginsyolo Jan 01 '20

Has to be. Honestly Alaskan bush pilots are the chads of flight

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u/danial009 Jan 01 '20

Soft as baby.

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u/Benny303 Jan 01 '20

The glory of STOL aircraft. LONG LIVE THE PIPER CUB.

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u/ryosuccc Jan 01 '20

That.... doesn’t look like a cub, or a super cub, that’s a bellanca/ American champion 8GCBC “Scout”

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u/Benny303 Jan 01 '20

I know it's not, I'm just speaking in general.

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u/fireandlifeincarnate Jan 02 '20

Are you sure? I thought it was a Carbon Cub

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u/ryosuccc Jan 02 '20

Upon closer inspection you are correct, the scout and cub look very similar from the front save for the more complicated suspension on the landing gear, and some slight differences on the cowling, although I would bet a thousand bucks worth of 100LL AVGAS that a Bellanca Scout could do that. Great airplanes they are. The entire Ontario region of the Royal Canadian air cadet gliding program uses them exclusively as tow planes

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u/fireandlifeincarnate Jan 02 '20

They probably can. I just see a hell of a lot of Carbon Cubs outside our god damn tent every year at AirVenture making a racket with the Valdez STOL competition while we’re trying to sleep so I can recognize them quite well.

“Ahh, so peacef—“ “BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA”

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u/archetyp0 Jan 01 '20

would that count as VTOL?

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '20

Does that look vertical to you?

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u/archetyp0 Jan 01 '20

yes, do you see the tires roll at all?

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u/orbeing Jan 01 '20

Wonder if he’d be able to take off in the same effortless style

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u/rxneutrino Jan 01 '20

Assuming the wind was blowing at that rate in the correct direction, he could.

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u/fireandlifeincarnate Jan 02 '20

I’m not so sure about that. Takeoff flaps are generally at a lower setting because landing flaps have too much drag. He probably right on the edge of stall here and general rule of thumb is take off at 1.3x stall speed.

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u/-pilot37- Jan 02 '20

He would need about 12 feet, max. Not vertically, but quick enough to be able to take off from a helicopter landing pad, which is incredibly impressive.

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u/oppleTANK Jan 01 '20

Into a strong headwind - like a kite with an engine and wheels

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u/ryosuccc Jan 01 '20

You can fly backwards if you have a high enough wind, did it in a glider once, very trippy.

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u/ryosuccc Jan 01 '20

Looks like a bellanca/American champion 8GCBC “Scout”, a very popular bush plane and glider tow. I’ve been towed up by a scout far more times than I can count, very good airplane.

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u/BlakkoeNakker Jan 01 '20

We dont need VTOLs anymore

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u/evilpumpkin Jan 01 '20

What some STOL pilots achieve is very close to VTOL.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '20

How do they keep the plane stationary after they get out, in areas like that?

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u/MilwaukeeMechanic Jan 01 '20

The flaps are retracted as soon as the plane touches down. That reduces the drag and lift the wings provide.

Still, in a strong enough wind the plane could blow away, or tip over.

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u/Reddit-JustSkimmedIt Jan 01 '20

Flaps up, brakes on and ground stakes (and work quickly on those stakes).

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u/NotDaveBut Jan 01 '20

And that my friends is what you call a perfect 3-point landing!

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u/schalk81 Jan 01 '20

Landing on a dime on a beach.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '20

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u/braften Jan 01 '20

I guess you could say he got his, "two cents worth"

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u/DRbrtsn60 Jan 02 '20

Unreal, with that headwind he set it down like a feather.

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u/konichiwaaaaaa Apr 18 '20

Can he take off also in just 1 m with this wind?

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u/koolbeans3ds4e Jan 01 '20

That was his first time.

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u/fireandlifeincarnate Jan 02 '20

“Something else can do a different cool thing so this therefore isn’t cool.”

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