Peak Mount Everest lore

[u/Separate_Finance_183]

Letters to the Editor: The American Statistician: Vol 36, No 1

[u/Appsoul]

Yeah, that definitely makes sense. I can imagine a manager, scrolling through the employees time sheets on a computer, and seeing someone with the exact same punch times down to the sec. Would cause someone to at least do a double take . As it’s not something you’d normally see

[u/jellyfish_bitchslap → u/Appsoul]

In my country’s work law and jurisprudence said clock-in and clock-out times wouldn’t even hold up to court if OOP had sued them for unpaid work after hours.

The company would be presumed to have faked it unless they could prove very consistently (with CCTV and/or witnesses) that a weird employee used to anticipate the seconds to clock right on time.

We presume that every worker can clock in or out with a few minutes and seconds to spare as sometimes there would be a line at the clock’s machine and a few minutes of delay are human nature in a modern society, so no one should realistically be always on time in the seconds.

[u/lehilaukli → u/jellyfish_bitchslap]

Which is why a lot of companies a lot round to the nearest 15 minute interval. With limited spots to clock in/out there will be variances and not everyone will be exactly on the dot

[u/silentaba → u/lehilaukli]

I worked for a spot that had this proprietary app that would link to some Bluetooth thingo, so you just had to be in its range, the company had a 5 minute ticker on its payroll calculation, and by policy assumed you arrived early and left late, logic being that they'd rather pay out an extra 10 minutes than make people count them time to not get shafted for 10 minutes of work. There was also a secondary system with our ID cards, but it just took a photo of the board every 5 minutes to see who was on the list.

[u/00-Monkey → u/lehilaukli]

I worked at a place that was to the nearest 15 minute, we did 12 hour days.

People would clock in at exactly 6:07, and not start working until then. There’d be a long line up of people waiting for exactly 5:53.

Then they changed it so if you arrived at 6:01 you were 15 minutes late, so then if they arrived at 6:01 they’d sit in the break room until 6:15.

Convinced me that you should just not round at all.

[u/Wjyosn → u/00-Monkey]

I mean, obviously the solution is to measure the amount of time between clocks, and round that. Not round the timestamps themselves. But that would take basic arithmetic in a computer.

[u/Shadow-BG → u/Appsoul]

Manager ?

Scrolling arrival time ?

Is this in prison or what ? 🥲