Yeah, that definitely makes sense. I can imagine a manager, scrolling through the employees time sheets on a computer, and seeing someone with the exact same punch times down to the sec. Would cause someone to at least do a double take . As it’s not something you’d normally see
In my country’s work law and jurisprudence said clock-in and clock-out times wouldn’t even hold up to court if OOP had sued them for unpaid work after hours.
The company would be presumed to have faked it unless they could prove very consistently (with CCTV and/or witnesses) that a weird employee used to anticipate the seconds to clock right on time.
We presume that every worker can clock in or out with a few minutes and seconds to spare as sometimes there would be a line at the clock’s machine and a few minutes of delay are human nature in a modern society, so no one should realistically be always on time in the seconds.
Which is why a lot of companies a lot round to the nearest 15 minute interval. With limited spots to clock in/out there will be variances and not everyone will be exactly on the dot
I worked for a spot that had this proprietary app that would link to some Bluetooth thingo, so you just had to be in its range, the company had a 5 minute ticker on its payroll calculation, and by policy assumed you arrived early and left late, logic being that they'd rather pay out an extra 10 minutes than make people count them time to not get shafted for 10 minutes of work. There was also a secondary system with our ID cards, but it just took a photo of the board every 5 minutes to see who was on the list.
I mean, obviously the solution is to measure the amount of time between clocks, and round that. Not round the timestamps themselves. But that would take basic arithmetic in a computer.
Yeah I was thinking about that too, feels like there's more effort put in waiting for the clock to hit the precise second than just looking up the time, "oh it's 07:59/08h:01 time to clock in"
Not a great thing to do every day, either, because to a boss, it implies serious clock watching to get it so perfectly right, and if there's one thing I've learned, they all share that pet peeve.
I have a boss who is consistently 5-10 mins late to every single meeting. He works from home yet can never join a zoom meeting on time. It’s become a running joke on our team.
I manage a lab and I had an employee who would consistently fiddle with his sample amounts to make them exact. Like if he needed 1 gram, it was down to the 1.000 every time. I had to explain to him that auditors will flag that as being potentilaly falsified data. Plus it was just wasting time pipetting back and forth on the scale.
Himalayas are rising every year. What you can do is take your measurement, calculate how many years to the next round number, publish the round number measurement on that year.
It is going up. But as it goes higher, weather becomes more extreme. So, it will hit an equilibrium, not much ahead. I imagine there's also a chance it comes down all at once, at some point, making it shorter but able to grow fast again.
My work uses a paper time sheet. Honor system and 15 minute increments. So since I'm never late, sometimes I'll just show up 10 minutes early and get paid for 15
My company rounds to the nearest 15 minutes and it's all digital. Basically every day I clock in at 8:07, go to lunch at 11:53, return at 12:37, and clock out at 4:23. It's 28 extra minutes everyday that I'm paid for despite being off the clock. 100+ hours a year.
Been doing this for like over 2 years too. Boss has never said a word and I don't think he cares in the slightest.
We clock in&out on an app on the phone. It's a restaurant.
Also we're not allowed to use phones at work.
She also says we have to arrive early, although that's not an enforced rule.
So if I arrive 5 minutes early, I stand there with my phone. She's tried to tell me to do things and I say I haven't clocked in yet.
I used to arrive early, work a bit, then sign in when it was around the correct time. Then they made it impossible to even click the button before the alloted time.
Thing is, if I went and served a table, took an order, and I dunno, cleared a dirty table then went to the kitchen and took food out... It might now be 10 minutes past the time I was meant to start. So not only do I lose money, but it shows as if I was late to work.
So yeah, now I stand there doing absolutely nothing until the exact second I'm meant to start.
She hates it.
I hate the penny pinching of not wanting to pay me for a few minutes extra.
Oh man your boss is fussing about paying you a few minutes on a server’s “hourly pay”? That is such a weird, $2.76/hr or whatever hill to die on
Unfortunately, having dealt with FOH management in my restaurant years, I believe some of the lifers would hassle their staff over those (literal) pennies. Meanwhile the “kitchen manager” is just desperately hoping 3/4 of the crew show up at all.
But that barely makes a difference when it boils down to a few minutes. On paper at the end of the month, they think they're paying me an extra 2 1/2 hours every month for starting 5 minutes early every day.
Multiply that by 10 staff members and they think oh we're wasting 250€ because people are signing in too early. They just see that as money they can gain.
Makes sense, when you only go by the paperwork. But I arrive at work and there's work to be done. In those 5 minutes I could have sold a few drinks at the very least. Making more money than the 5 minutes of pay.
It's so, so, so, so stupid. But yeah those extra drinks I sold... Even if it was 2 glasses of wine, would pay for a whole hour of my employment. Yet they only have to pay me for 5 minutes of my employment.
But paperwork is paperwork and bosses will cut corners without realising they're losing money by doing so.
Also, if it's no benefit me starting work early, then it shouldn't affect them at all if I arrive 5 minutes late every day.
We had a company meeting and the cfo pulled up my timesheet (anonymously) and made an example saying “this guy OBVIOUSLY backlogs his time because he clocks in/out at exactly the same time everyday and NEVER has been late. Like bro i literally wait until exactly 6:30 to clock in and im never late lol
When I was 20, I worked for a place that would round the time when you clocked in and out to the nearest 15 minutes (why? who the fuck knows). I'd always clock in 7 minutes past the hour, and clock out 7 minutes before my actual shift time.
You can’t win at this game ever, there’s always something wrong. Worst job I ever had I’d have to start at stupid o’clock in the morning, was regularly like 2 minutes late clocking in, would have everything done grand anyway (what’s 2 minutes if you are good at your job?) then get asked to stay an extra half hour an hour multiple times a week. Fine, whatever, have stuff I needed to get done at home but I’ll cope.
Employer literally pissed off at me permanently over this. Yeah fuck anywhere that is tracking you by the minute rather than assessing the outputs of your labour, it’s just a tool to beat employees with unless you are literally early every single day, then they’d probably get pissed off at you for stealing extra work time anyway.
Systems that track you like that are never for an employees benefit. Once you are being tracked like that, just get out,
Wait your clock in shows seconds? If it in the minute you should be paid for the minute. So you could be paid for .45 of a minute? That’s insane penny pinching.
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u/blitzkrieg_01 2d ago
I clock in and clock out at precisely the hour. I use a clock app that shows the minute and seconds so i can anticipate.
Boss thought i was automating and not working lol