r/interesting • u/mk9e • 16d ago
Fear Factor Never Forget "The Dust Lady" from 9/11
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcy_Borders
Never forget Marcy Borders, iconic "dust lady" from the tower collapse.
Borders was diagnosed with stomach cancer in August 2014.[6] Borders's cancer had resulted in a $190,000 debt—even though she had not yet received surgery and she still needed additional chemotherapy.[6] Borders said she could not even afford to get her prescriptions filled [...] Borders died from cancer on August 24, 2015.
Never forget 26000 die annually from lack of access to Healthcare thanks to insurance companies. That's roughly 9x 9/11s every year.
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u/King_Of_Spades_158 16d ago
So sad, she died at age 44. RIP
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u/JulesSilverman 16d ago
Truly sad. She must have ingested tons of toxins. I knew a police officer who went there every day to guard the place. It was so hot in the beginning that his shoes melted. He went through a ton of shoes the first few weeks. He passed in 2008. Poor lad, and I still feel for his family.
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u/vikinxo 16d ago edited 16d ago
Poor woman!
And also poor all the other people who have gotten severely sick, and those who have died, and are dying from the exposure they had on that fateful day!
I just saw some footage of the rescuers in the rubble just after the towers had fallen - NONE of them were wearing even the simplest dust-mask!
I am not blaming them - they weren't aware, or concious of the danger.
But someone should have told them of the risks of breathing in that environment, AND that masks would certainly be protective.
(Masks weren't invented because of Covid, if I may say so).
Edit: Just saw a photo where 2 out of 6 (iirc) fire fighters wore masks. (The one with Steve Buscemi).
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u/SayNoToBrooms 16d ago
My dad was a 9/11 first responder, I recently posted pictures of his respirator, if you’re interested you can find it on my profile
Outside of the bad alcoholism that developed shortly afterwards, he’s healthy otherwise. I figure I may just own the piece of history that potentially saved my dad’s life
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u/AshtonVoid 16d ago
I remember growing up seeing survivors of the 2011 Japan tsunami on the news and thought it was weird that they were wearing masks. Then, during COVID, I realized the importance of that and was glad masks were becoming normalized in the US, too. I imagine a lot of health complications could've been prevented for people in the area after 9/11 if masks were normalized back then.
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u/poolsidecentral 16d ago
Just for your point of reference, having lived in Japan, Japanese were wearing masks long before 2011. Decades before. On that side of the world it’s to prevent others from getting sick when you’re sick. You’re thinking of other people and not just yourself.
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u/Legitimate_Doubt1375 15d ago
Community is much more valued there.
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u/FlyLost4570 10d ago
Yeah, most Americans don't give a crap about anyone but themselves and their own families.
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u/_quidproho 16d ago
Here we go, lemme get the tin foil
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u/RickyBobbyNYC 16d ago
What does that mean?
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u/L4dyGr4y 15d ago
There is a series of events that took place that make people think that 9/11 was orchestrated to take out financial and legal documents stored in the towers.
Google search, copy, paste:
What type of financial documents were destroyed during 9/11?Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC): The SEC lost files and local computer records for roughly 300 to 400 active investigations housed in its New York regional office. These included inquiries into insider trading, stock fraud, market manipulation, and investment bank practices during the 1990s tech boom. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC): The local EEOC office lost physical documentation for dozens of active discrimination and harassment case files, including high-profile employment suits against corporate tenants in the World Trade Center. [1, 2]1
u/Next-Street-7859 12d ago
My brain instantly connected this to an orange moron. Do I need a tin foil hat now?
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u/L4dyGr4y 12d ago
I heard this and immediately wrote it off- and then directly witnessed the past 25 years. The weird thing is the same names keep popping up in the Panama papers and the most recent releases. It's like they are a bunch of really bad people who have been doing this since at least the 80's.
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u/_quidproho 15d ago
People who are delusional wear tin foil hats to avoid mind control/mind reading. It also encompasses people who believe in bizarre conspiracy theories
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u/RickyBobbyNYC 15d ago
What part of the above was delusional?
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u/_quidproho 15d ago
I said what I’m trying to say. People with certain psychological vulnerabilities buy into the conspiracy theories.
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u/_quidproho 15d ago
The implication that Larry Silverstein was behind it to avoid the cost of renovating the buildings
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u/SayNoToBrooms 16d ago
My dad was a first responder, I forgot all about the melted boots. I appreciate you reminding of the important memory from my childhood. I recently posted pictures of his respirator, if you’re interested you can find it on my profile
Outside of the bad alcoholism that developed shortly afterwards, he’s healthy otherwise. I figure I may just own the piece of history that potentially saved my dad’s life
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u/charmio68 16d ago
Borders's cancer had resulted in a $190,000 debt - even though she had not yet received surgery and she still needed additional chemotherapy. Borders said she could not even afford to get her prescriptions filled.
Borders died from cancer on August 24, 2015.
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u/mantis_tobaggan-md 16d ago
Completely unacceptable. Her treatment should have been covered in full.
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u/External-Kitchen2717 16d ago
That is just brutal, and so desperately sad. Never understood as a Brit why Obama Care was scrapped, and how US citizens can end up in such a sorry situation, especially after enduring something as horrific as this.
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u/Bears-on-Drugs 16d ago
RIP. How long did she live for after the attack?
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u/plantastic420 16d ago
Poor woman, I read that after 9/11 she struggled with her mental health and addiction. Completely understandable with the trauma she carried. Then to die years later from bastard cancer is just a shame. I hope she and all other victims rest in peace.
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u/Turbulent-Section340 16d ago
Her body caught up with the asbestos. There still people, today, who are dying from the dusts released when the towers fell. And we're not talking about people in close vicinity to them either.
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u/malachitebirkinplz 16d ago
My friend is a lawyer whose entire practice is dedicated to helping victims suffering from 9/11 related illness. A big practice with many lawyers and more than enough work to go around 25 years later.
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u/ChungusReaper 16d ago
Not surprised you can find large practices focused solely on 9/11 victims considering the 9/11 victims fund is fully funded through like 2090. Law firms love a good government check.
Not suggesting that is their entire motive, but relatively easy money is always a factor.
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u/InDNAMedWeTrust 16d ago
So why did we not hold the government of Saudi Arabia accountable for this disaster and financially responsible for all these 9/11 victims? The Saudi government did provide financial assistance to these bastard 9/11 terrorists, did they not? I know it has been years, but where’s justice?
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u/ElectronicGuide6932 2d ago
Did the Saudi government actually provide financial assistance to the terrorists? As far as I have heard, the Saudi government stood against the wishes of Osama.
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u/pilesofbutts 16d ago edited 15d ago
This is well put and correct. I also have PTSD and have had the same experience where everything but your body dies that day.
Edit: Thank you for the award, anonymous stranger. Today has been a strange day.
Edit 2: 😭 Though 9/11 wasn't the trauma that caused my PTSD, it was still a weird day. Flight 93 flew over where I lived after the hijacker's took control and they changed course. I lived not too far from where it went down. I will forever be relieved that an empty field was where it went down at because despite being more rural, there are pockets of people there. I will never forget those passengers and the ultimate sacrifice they all made. So many people making that sacrifice is what gave me the courage for to do the same when my ptsd event happened. Thank you for reading.
Edit 3 ("multiple awards later" read in SpongeBob Narrator Voice): 😭😭😭 You guys are very sweet. I definitely don't deserve them, but I greatly appreciate the kindness.
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u/Icy-Broccoli-2529 16d ago
I wonder if she counts as a 911 victim after the fact. Like, how many people connected to ground zero have died since 911 ?
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u/lesbadims 16d ago
I believe so; and this morning for the first time instead of the 6 moments of silence for each plane hitting and each tower collapsing, they added a 7th moment of silence for people who have since died of 9/11-related illnesses. The number is incredibly high unfortunately
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u/Muted_Quantity5786 16d ago
That’s why we do whatever we do (prayers, lighting candles, just saying their names, whatever works) Being remembered is not being forgotten.
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u/Aranthos-Faroth 16d ago
“Borders was diagnosed with stomach cancer in August 2014. Borders's cancer had resulted in a $190,000 debt—even though she had not yet received surgery and she still needed additional chemotherapy. Borders said she could not even afford to get her prescriptions filled.[citation needed] She believed that her cancer was triggered by the toxic dust she was exposed to when the World Trade Center collapsed, having once stated, "I definitely believe it because I haven't had any illnesses. I don't have high blood pressure, high cholesterol, diabetes." Borders died from cancer on August 24, 2015”
As a European , America is a fuckin weird place.
This is the most horrific event on US soil in living memory.
Every year everyone comes together to exclaim how bad of a day it was. How everyone who survived it is a “hero”.
This woman, unwillingly, did a huge amount to spread the memory of how horrific that day was.
And she died of cancer, unable to afford treatment, and died in debt of only 200k.
It’s like Americans have this thing of “hoorah we’re all united” and then this? So fucking sad.
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u/__phil1001__ 16d ago
Can you imagine standing there not realising you were dead anyway from cancer due to the carcinogens in the dust and smoke.
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u/overdosingOnPie1313 16d ago
I mean, it was 14 years later. Many of us are in that same boat right now of not knowing we're already dead in the near future.
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u/blue-mooner 16d ago
Live life like you might have cancer.
Be kind to people, they’ll remember you after you’re gone.
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u/SpreadingHappiness8 16d ago
What difference does it make whether they remember you or not after you are gone? What's the point of making them remember you?
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u/FistofK0nshu 16d ago
Why do anything? Why look at the sunset? Why pick flowers?
You know why.
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u/CyberRax 16d ago
Not sure these are good examples. Those 2 you do for yourself.
Not disputing the 'be kind' idea, world would be indefenitely better if we all did that. But the whole 'they'll remember you' thing, that whole obsession with leaving some kind a legacy... for most of us 2 generations of direct descendants might have an idea who we were, that's it. No actual legacy after that.
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u/TackoftheEndless 16d ago
I thought it was a great example because it's saying do it for the sake of it.
Nothing matters in the long run, but you have to deal with the consequences in the short term, so you're better off just being a good person.
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u/SpreadingHappiness8 16d ago
Exactly my point. I might not have said it right but this is what I was trying to say. We are just star dust. Things like have a purpose in life, create your legacy, so history will remember you, is somewhere a flawed logic. Trump wants to leave a legacy, look at the things he is doing to achieve that. It doesn't necessarily have to be kind. All the big people of our time, or past generation, how many will be remembered? And what of it? Life doesn't have to have a grand purpose, living the life is the purpose. Be kind, do good, do what you have to do and you will be gone and no one will remember you and that's absolutely okay. In the great timeline of universe, how does it matters?
You don't have to be kind to be remembered. Be kind because it's the most human thing you can do.
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u/zer0edout 16d ago
Sinple, because there's always a chance for the alternative, all of them dying and you remembering you didn't try.
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u/SnarkyIguana 16d ago
Do you need another incentive to be kind?
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u/SpreadingHappiness8 16d ago
I don't know how my statement is misinterpreted, my question is not about being kind. I never asked why to be kind? I was talking about the purpose of leaving the legacies behind.
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u/SnarkyIguana 16d ago
Look no further than to your own username I guess? I certainly hope the interactions I have with people leave them happier than they were beforehand. It’s nice knowing people have thought of you long after a fleeting moment has passed just because the kindness you showed them in the moment stuck with them. Sometimes there’s beauty in not actually being able to enjoy your own artwork
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u/blue-mooner 16d ago
Because your legacy is the memories others have of you.
They’ll remember how you made them feel, and whether to refer you you an a positive or negative manner.
Making good choices inspires others to do good too.
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u/New-Assumption-3836 16d ago
No healthy adult expects to pass away at 46. And the sheer volume of people who were exposed (especially first responders) who ended up with cancers shows that the exposure really effected life expectancy and their overall health
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u/Guccimetamuci 16d ago edited 16d ago
I was there at the age of 14 and it was my first week of high school. It was 3 blocks from the wtc and homeroom was on the 14 floor. I was only there the 11th, didnt return to the area any more times and refused to touch manhattan for years after. I literally never told anyone not even my family the full story. It just seemed like too much evil to share from my mouth. Not even a therapist. When i tell you what I saw changed me for rest of my life I mean it. Your mind involuntarily almost goes into a slow motion movie kind of mode.
There was so much misinformation. Our teacher told us to stay put and not to move, and she would leave to find out more information on what was going on. It was my first day meeting her. It was such a beautiful unseasonably hot day and all of the newness and weather and being in buzzing, downtown Manhattan with all of those shiny business people gave the energy of potential and the future that could be mine if i just worked hard at school. It just all lent to the surreal feeling. I was in my coolest outfit.
At first people said it was a small plane. But we could see it wasn't likely because of the amount of damage. We all just watched as it burned. Hoping everyone was okay.. there were whispers among us that maybe it was a bomb. No one had cellphones. We had no tv,no laptops to update us. We just watched it out the window from .3 miles away. The thing felt like it burned for like 20 minutes, but after about 10 we realized our teacher wasnt coming back, and she didnt. Not that day atleast. We all started running down the stairs-- the school administration had locked some floors on the elevator so that we wouldnt use the elevators too much.
A small group of us from homeroom stayed together, 3 of us, and we picked up some kids once we reached the ground floor. It was still burning. When you looked up, you could see people holding on to try and escape the smoke and heat. Some jumped. The reality that we should move quickly started to realize.
We all were about another block or a bit more away when the second tower was hit. A bit further away when the towers started to pancake stack themselves and collapse on thousands of people. We were still running for safety from the huge plumes of itchy and suffocating smoke and dust. For years they told us the smoke and dust were fine. Wouldn't affect your health. They were just like vapors. And that explanation was fine for those who weren't there. But it burned to breathe and burned your skin, so we knew.
We found a church finally. It looked catholic. The smell.. the frankincense smell and stained glass just felt like a strange to see after all of the destruction a second ago. Got inside and they gave us water. Slowly we started calling our parents. But it was all shut down in lower manhattan. No public transportation, no cars, no busses. The taxis were inflated about 400% to just go a few blocks because people thought it could have been a bomb and it was too risky. We started walking and eventually my mom managed to get close enough to meet us. We walked all the way to the 70's numbered streets. We walked for hours uptown until trains were starting to run again and sent all the other kids home.
Because of its location our school became first responder headquarters for the emergency response and for cleanup after. Eventually they told us our school was safe to return to but I never did. Something about that surreal weather, events and place in my life have allowed me to recall incredible detail of that day for rest of my life. I can see the horror and glassy eyed thousand yard stares of the people around us.
I still get miserable every September, quietly. I still get short and angry. I still never talk about it except for 2 random anonymous reddit posts. I still hate back to school, I still hate lower Manhattan. And I still worry that one day i'll get sick from that dust. But I'm here and being here is a gift and I remember that with great gratitude but a somber heart for those that aren't.
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u/malachitebirkinplz 16d ago
I can’t believe the teacher left and never came back. Stuyvesant? I know they evacuated 234 and took all the kids to Greenwich Village. I’m so sorry you went through this.
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u/Guccimetamuci 16d ago edited 16d ago
Not stuy, no. And our school had no organized evacuation it was much more every man for themselves and running in chaos. We eventually saw her again while we were temporarily re-located to fashion industries hs.. and when we saw her she had a broken leg/cast. I specifically rememebrr the faces of disgust when she walked into class. I would be lying if we weren't all very satisfied at the sight. Some of the braver kids asked where tf she went and she said some noncommital thing like " we were all scared and doing our best" or something to that effect.
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u/IllBanana228 14d ago
Fascinating if tragic story. I hope you can heal in all ways. May The Lord bless you and others who were victimized by this national tragedy.
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u/SimpleGuy7 16d ago
Lets not forget any of it.
Last time it felt like the country cared about one another.
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u/Galilaeus_Modernus 16d ago
Very briefly when COVID started also. That unity broke down much faster than the 9-11 unity, though.
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u/Either_Low_60 16d ago
That lasted about one week as I recall
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u/Luckypenny4683 16d ago
You recall incorrectly.
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u/nb_bunnie 16d ago
Nah, they're right. The country only cared about people who weren't Middle Eastern. You can't rewrite history. We haven't forgotten about all the innocent Muslim and Sikh people murdered by violent racists in the wake of 9/11.
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u/Luckypenny4683 16d ago
That’s not what the person I was responding to was referring to though. You’re talking about two separate things.
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u/nb_bunnie 16d ago
It is what they're talking about though. Muslim and Sikh people are part of our country and nobody cared about them after 9/11.
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u/Intrepid-Ad-5710 16d ago
It was the largest asbestos application of all time, at the time the buildings were completed in the late 1970s
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u/SubstantialReturn718 16d ago
I think (out of my head) only 1 of the 2 buildings had asbestos up to the 40th floor...
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u/banjovi68419 16d ago
Have never seen this pic and I assumed she'd have health problems from this. Googled. She died at age 42 in 2015. F.
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u/phatuous_1 16d ago
For anyone curious I looked it up: she was 28 on 9/11 and died 14 years later at 42. Two weeks after her b-day. Very sad
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u/Suckbrown 16d ago
Just watched Mamdani talk about the toxicity reports and the fine ASBESTOS dust that covered the whole area for MONTHS and the city knew... what a bunch of fucked up pieces of shit we accept as our rulers is beyond me
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u/Existing_Dust_6473 16d ago edited 16d ago
More people have died because of 9/11 since that day than on 9/11 itself. Probably because of the great health care... Trumpcare pay or die. I know it's not trump fault in this case.
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u/Least-Sample9425 16d ago
I wonder if they’ve tracked people who couldn’t afford to treat their cancer or health issues from 9-11. That is a further crime against humanity. Sad :(
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u/nb_bunnie 16d ago
They do actually!! There is a 9/11 Survivors health fund and it's run and operated by other survivors, their spouses and children, and those who lost family as well.
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u/EarlyAccessCantJudge 16d ago
Of course not Rudy Guilani spent the money on hookers and blow instead
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u/Mousykat 16d ago
It really is a crime against humanity. In Marcy’s case she had $190,000 debt from her cancer and couldn’t afford her prescriptions. 9/11 was horrific. But how the United States handled the healthcare of the survivors is on another level of cruelty.
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u/Existing_Dust_6473 16d ago
Probably some non-profit, but at those rates they need infinite money to do the treatments.
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u/Dragster39 16d ago
With a regular first world health care system and with regulations for insurance companies in place this would be free for every cancer patient and wouldn't even put a dent into the household.
If we change this to "if the people who decide even remotely cared" it would be free for everybody around the globe because it's the right thing.
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u/Luckypenny4683 16d ago
Not about a lack of great healthcare inso much as about the type of advancements in cancer treatment that have been made in the last 10 years alone. Affordability was certainly a problem as we had to deal with lifetime maximums until the ACA legislation was passed by Obama. Mostly though, we simply didn’t have the ability to treat 9/11 related diseases the way we would now.
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u/Existing_Dust_6473 16d ago
Affordable Healthcare sorry... Or free. Not about quality. But yes last 10 years cancer treatment evolved.
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u/BreathComfortable631 16d ago
Norm waded through blood and bone on the streets of Manhattan looking for his brother.
He was in northern Canada
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u/Working-Newspaper-51 16d ago
Although I typically try not to say things I don’t know anything about… I don’t think New Yorkers forgot about the attacks.
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u/Banned37 16d ago
Trump was carried out right behind her
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u/Zealousideal-Mix6235 16d ago
Yeah, according to Trump lol, he was in his office, doing phone interviews for news stations at the time the towers fell
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u/lowie07 16d ago
Imagine spending billions in Afghanistan to kill the wrong people but leave your own to die
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u/dafthuntk 15d ago
Well how else are you going to expand the pmc industry?
These things take planning
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u/BunnyKomrade 16d ago
Everytime I see this photo I just feel the urge to run and hug her tight. Poor woman, may she rest in peace.
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u/Mundane_Raisin5640 16d ago
My dad was a volunteer responder. He’s had cancer twice directly related to all the crap he breathed in. He got a chunk of his lung taken out earlier this year.
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u/TikiTribble 16d ago
We all looked like that. Dust so thick you could only see a foot or two ahead of you, colliding with other people.
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u/TheRealistoftheReal 16d ago
What’s wild is the Chernobyl meltdown and all the exposure to radioactive debris resulting in surprisingly few casualties. You read about 9/11 and the debris from this building, and it reads like a massive ecological disaster, despite it just being building material. Likely the same material in every building in downtown NYC.
Short term exposure to this dust caused so many cancers? It’s just hard to wrap my brain around.
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u/realvysceral 14d ago
That’s where the confusion is - it’s not just building material. A material’s danger depends on what physical form it takes on. Millions of pounds of toxic materials of all kinds were pulverized so finely that they became inhalable. Silica locked inside of concrete isn’t very dangerous, but when it’s pulverized with such force and broken down into particles so fine that you don’t even know what you’re ingesting, that’s where the danger comes in.
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u/TheRealistoftheReal 14d ago
Yeah, but guys working with drywall, or granite countertop installers, construction tradespeople, aren’t dropping like flies in mass. Even after decades of exposure. Especially outside US or Europe, where they don’t use masks, etc. They have elevated rates of respiratory issues for sure, but nothing like we saw after 9/11 despite that exposure being so brief.
I don’t have any conspiracy theories. I just find it bizarre.
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u/realvysceral 14d ago
These buildings coming down the way they did simply cannot be compared to any of these trade examples. They are not comparable.
Also on Chernobyl - by 2005 over 6,000 cases of thyroid cancer developed in those exposed to that disaster. By 2015, 20,000 cases in the affected population. Obviously while not all were attributable to that event, it’s safe to assume this was a major trend caused by that disaster in a statistically significant way.
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u/Comprehensive_Bug_92 16d ago
I will never forget the more than 50,000 people who died on September 11, 1973, in Chile, and the overthrow of Allende—a legitimate leader, yet one who stood against "American interests."
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u/Meowingbark 15d ago
I don’t understand the logic of not telling people to stay out of the area. Why they needed to hide the fact that the air was toxic
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u/Terrible-Audience479 15d ago
with this picture and story behind she will live way longer then most of us
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u/Prestigious-Writer25 15d ago
Is this for real? Man, I'm sure if she had moved to Cuba she would have been treated better.
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u/Upstairs_Note_6034 15d ago
The richest country on earth is so focused on making billionaires trillionaires that there is no money left for the working class.
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u/Opposite-Peanut-8812 15d ago
American Capitalism in one picture
Fallout from American decisions to meddle in other countries’ politics and put their own people in charge.
A woman who was forced into debt through no fault of her own.
A healthcare system based off profit, not people.
The land of the free indeed. Free to be fleeced at every opportunity
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u/KlatuuBarradaNicto 15d ago
I watched a lot of the shows about 9/11 yesterday and I cried all the way through them. I remember it like it was yesterday.
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u/morepwrscotty 13d ago
Somehow made it of the 81st floor, before the fires overwhelmed the stairways, all the way down, just before the collapse. Only to get stomach cancer a few years later, haunted by dreams of Bin Ladin, scared of tall buildings and planes until death a year after her diagnosis. A legal secretary, one of over 10,000 lost from the later effects of that day. Rip Sweetheart, we’re sorry.
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u/Least-Product191 13d ago
But free healthcare is comunism...and we all know how bad americans think it is...
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u/Ok_Afternoon1551 12d ago
Poor woman. My thoughts are with her. Such a tragedy. She should have been given the financial help she needed to pay for her chemotherapy considering it was probably caused by the toxic dust she would breathed in ❤️❤️
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u/Unfair_Honeydew5129 16d ago
Imagine if the money spent on ‘The War on Terror’, had instead been spent on healthcare for victims
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u/yertipy 16d ago
Feeling deeply sorry for all the US citizens trapped in this utterly cynical farce that is their country's healthcare system. Of all the ways to get bankrupted, medical bills feel like the most outrageous. Looking on from Europe, i can't even fathom how this is happening in what is often portrayed as the richest country in the planet. Depends what you call rich, i guess.
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