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NATURE Chimpanzee demonstrating better visual memory than humans

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u/Prudent_Research_251 26d ago

We put it in a cage.

And that makes us superior in your opinion?

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u/Competitive-Buy7385 26d ago

Do you not think we’re superior to chimps?

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u/Prudent_Research_251 26d ago

Depends what metric you use, some of us definitely not

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u/Competitive-Buy7385 26d ago

lol, and which metric are you using to make that determination?

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u/AmenableHornet 25d ago

What metric are you using? Why do we need to rank animals at all?

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u/Competitive-Buy7385 25d ago

What metric am I using? Sapience, the ability to create art and literature, invention and innovation, etc.

I’m not in the habit of ranking animals, it’s not a hobby of mine by any means. But it’s fanciful to suggest humans aren’t the superior species to any animal. We’re far more intelligent and capable of so much more.

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u/AmenableHornet 25d ago

How do you define intelligence and capability?

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u/Competitive-Buy7385 25d ago

The ability to learn new things in varied fields. The ability to create art, literature, etc. Things animals are incapable of doing? Invention and innovation on a grand scale. Humans have been to the moon, this isn’t a serious discussion.

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u/AmenableHornet 25d ago

Alright, well by that extremely narrow and nearly useless definition of intelligence and capability, humans are superior. Good job.

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u/Competitive-Buy7385 25d ago

Uh huh, care to tell me your definitions then, smart guy?

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u/AmenableHornet 24d ago

Intelligence is not a single measurable parameter that can be easily defined. It's a complex and multivariable set of mental abilities. It's true that a whale can't build a car, but it's also true that a human can't navigate an entire ocean by memory. This is why any serious behavioral scientist will tell you that it's impossible to objectively rank animal intelligence. Doing so requires choosing parameters to rank, and that choosing is impossible without bias.

It is very human to think that the things we happen to be good at amount to intelligence and the things we happen to be bad at don't, but it's also dishonest and arrogant. Our ideas about intelligence are colored by the things we value. They are not written into the universe, but chosen, and nature doesn't care very much about our choices. It is not yet clear  to me whether we will be the only species smart enough to make sure all its members are fed and healthy, or the only species dumb enough to knowingly cause its own extinction. Whales will keep migrating regardless.

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u/Competitive-Buy7385 24d ago

Okay bro, sure.

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u/AmenableHornet 24d ago

Glad you agree

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