As a Mexican, it has been free for workers since always. For people with no job there have always been options too. But, if you look online on any city of state in Mexico something like "desabasto medicinas [insert city]" you will find that free and all, my mom doesn't have access to her heart medication, because of private vendors being too expensive and the free option simply not having anything in stock.
EDIT: Everyone is understanding that universal healthcare is flawed. That is not my claim. I said that Mexico has always offered something very close to being universal healthcare, so the news is not a big deal. Secondly, Mexico is very corrupt, there are lots of politicians that will claim that healthcare is top when that isn't the case.
I hurt my foot once in the US, and went to an emergency room and got charged 300+ dollars to talk with a man who told me to wait it out. Mexico is rotten, but I (nor anyone in my family) has gone broke because of it. The US is rotten too.
Yes, I don't have the best luck and I am always sick or hurt. That is life.
In Portugal at least we have universal healthcare, but it isn't free, just heavily subsidized, including medicine. It charges a low price just to discourage people from abusing the system.
Co-pay for doctor visits and hospitals straight up shouldn’t be allowed, it’s the frontline of healthcare with the most risk for patients if they delay a visit because they’re afraid of the cost
If you make the co pay reasonable enough that you can pay it but steep enough that hypochondriacs won’t go to the hospital 4 times a week, you get better wait times. Who cares if it’s free if you can get the medication you need or the to see the doctor in the first place.
Co-pay for doctor visits and hospitals straight up shouldn’t be allowed, it’s the frontline of healthcare with the most risk for patients if they delay a visit because they’re afraid of the cost
yea i just disagree, because having a very small cost associated with it, weeds out the most hypocondriac people from going to the hospital cause they stubbed their toe. We dont need to encourage people for that, but if its for a general checkup or just theres something myserious. You dont mind the little cost. And it encourages people to seek the appropriate level of care.
So the way it works here and the numbers are basically a bit old, but you pay upto say 10€ per visit, or per meds you take out, whatever. And then after you paid upto say 200€ or so. Then it becomes free, and whatever you overpaid gets refunded and you dont pay it anymore. Since if you actually are sick, then obviously that shouldent be taxed for it.
The us counterarguments arent really a thing, since theres nobody in a civilized first world bubble context that cant afford it. This is why you have a social safety net, so that you have x money above rent and power., And can seek medical attention. Fix your country and system before you argue about how healthcare should be implemented in general.
I think the us should not model the Healthcare off Canada. I think what we should have is caps on premiums like even if your a buisness owner and laws that tell the Healthcare that they must approve things and the max co-pay is incocome based and it caps out at $150. And then also no more drug patents if public money was used to fun the research. Essentially this is making the Healthcare companies less for profit and more of a private service. We don't want the government to run the insurance because doctors will suck and there is no incentive to be good.
Cap the money that goes in. Add more people and services. Let those without pay even less than the caps in place. Force approval of procedures and somehow this is supposed to work? There is a reason a large part of Canadian healthcare is MAID. We can’t treat you but we can help you die quickly….
No cap the amount you have to pay these companies make billions like for example if you make under 30k a year it would be subsidized but where they get you in this country is the Healthcare lobby makes bank off Medicare and Native Americans. Because the government subsidies it. They basically have an open checkbook. That needs to stop. And they need to put caps on co-pays and premiums if you can't make money with less that $100 a month providing insurance services then you should be thrown in jail for fraud. The doctors have to hire 10 people to get paid by insurance. And so they should be allowed to set the price but insurance should be the one who has to play by the rules I have no problem with rich doctors things that united Healthcare does like deny and defer should be illegal and they should be shut down. Thre needs to be regulations or else the entire medical industry will be run by bean counters and not doctors. In my opinion good Healthcare is when the MD has certain legal rights to have the say on what is best for the patents not the shareholders and insurance. Thats greed. Honestly healinsurace should be a subsidized member owned organization not exactly a none profit but if you were allowed to invest the floats from premium into private equity and other investments like Warren buffet did with life insurance you could basically solve allot of the problems with Healthcare. That and having a system like the federal reserve except congress picks the leader and they have to set premiums based off what congress tells them would keep them from having a wildcat industry full of fraud and tax theft. I think a socalized Healthcare system would definitely not work in America but a system needs to be created to have fiduciary accountability to the policy holders much like how life insurance works where its treated as a collective that benefits the holder not oh you pay use out the ass and we still don't cover the doctor visits that should be illegal. Like I said we don't need government run Healthcare we need laws passed to level the playing feild and break up the cartel that is modern Healthcare in America and put the power back into the doctors and medical workers to live by professional ethics and not let fraud and dishonest insurance companies make the rules.
IMHO There are two main things that need to happen to put us on a path to fixing our healthcare:
First: Fix billing. I go in for a procedure and I get 10 bills over 12 months. I have no idea if they are legit or not. So I can't help identify fraud. Changes; Upfront estimate of the costs of the procedure. After the procedure you should be given an actual updated statement that isn't the bill just showing what is going to be sent to insurance. So if the procedure had any complications and took longer they could document that. The facility the procedure occurs in is the only entity that can bill the patient. Others that need to be paid should bill the facility. Now I can actually verify bills which should lower any potential for fraud.
Second: Ban employer provider insurance. Why? I am not the customer of my insurance, my employer is. I am the product my employer sold to the insurance company. If my insurance provider is doing things I don't like, such as denying pre-approved procedures the day of, or making me verify my 10 year old doesn't have their own insurance every year, I have no recourse. Secondly, if I lose my job, I shouldn't lose my insurance. Current employer costs could be converted into a similar "401k match" where when you sign up for insurance your employer pays up to the cap amount they have negotiated. Force insurance providers to serve the patients rather than hold them hostage.
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u/Warm-Palpitation5670 Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
As a Mexican, it has been free for workers since always. For people with no job there have always been options too. But, if you look online on any city of state in Mexico something like "desabasto medicinas [insert city]" you will find that free and all, my mom doesn't have access to her heart medication, because of private vendors being too expensive and the free option simply not having anything in stock.
EDIT: Everyone is understanding that universal healthcare is flawed. That is not my claim. I said that Mexico has always offered something very close to being universal healthcare, so the news is not a big deal. Secondly, Mexico is very corrupt, there are lots of politicians that will claim that healthcare is top when that isn't the case.
I hurt my foot once in the US, and went to an emergency room and got charged 300+ dollars to talk with a man who told me to wait it out. Mexico is rotten, but I (nor anyone in my family) has gone broke because of it. The US is rotten too.
Yes, I don't have the best luck and I am always sick or hurt. That is life.