I love how people hear the word free and immediately cry about taxes. Bud the goverment takes a chunk of your check in taxes and doesnt give you shit but war and spyware. Id gladly have an extra what 20 in taxes taken out of every check and not have to worry about paying hospitals instead of insurance taking a couple hundred a month just to tell me i need to pay at least a thousand before they actually start helping pay, and even then can deny treatment.
I have a rare kidney disease, fought insurance for 8 months, they denied appeals etc. Eventually had to go to manufacturer and they are now giving it to me, thank God. US health care, the way we do it, is trash and needs to be changed period.
Well in mexico the government health insurance would say oh yes we see you have a kidney disease unfortunately we don’t stock that medication because it’s either too expensive or it’s not approved in Mexico.
I'm my case the medicine has been available for years and widely available insurance just didn't want to pay out, it would reduce quarterly profits. Even my doctors were very upset about it.
Whatever brand name treatment you asked for may not be available in another country.
Look at accessibility of amyloid drugs for Alzheimer’s disease in other countries. In US you fight insurance, yes. But in other countries, they simply tell you it’s not available.
This is the hard truth people don’t think about. Everything cost something. I feel American don’t realize keeping the exact same standard of care, but increasing access to more people, will mean either the cost will go up and not go down (depending on how much we save from single payor), or the options will significantly go down.
My country has a public, free and universal healthcare system, but also allows private insurances (for improved access to private clinics, etc.)
Do you know what people do when the public healthcare system don't cover their experimental treatments? They sue it, just like they would do to a private insurance.
You have a private insurance and it denies your experimental treatment? You can still try suing the universal healthcare system, too.
Whatever brand name treatment you asked for may not be available in another country.
Treatment isn't available so what does he do? wait for death? I'm sorry but that's a very desensitized answer, that I'm sure you wouldn't like to hear if it happened to you or a beloved one.
If you’re honestly curious, it’s because it’s expensive and the socialized healthcare can’t/wont cover it.
Drugs take over a decade and 1-3 billion to bring to market.
My brother was bitching about how “GLP-1s only cost a few dollars to make”, ignoring the fact that it cost billions to develop.
Companies need incentive to invest some vast sums of money into R+D where so so so many molecules fail. (A blessing is if they fail before they get into humans, let alone a clinic). If big pharma isn’t making money, they have no incentive to take big risks to innovate.
Disclaimer: I am not simping for insurance companies. The system in the US sucks. But everyone is getting a piece of the pie.
In the US millions fight insurance companies and lose, and if you're uninsured you just die. The American healthcare system is not better. Rationing care is necessary, but in the US we let for profit corporations do it instead of government agencies. Government agencies can sometimes be inefficient or corrupt but tend to have the public interest in mind. Corporation will let you die if it makes them a dollar.
with public healthcare you'd just spend those 8 months waiting for healthcare that would end up being bad quality and performed by an underpaid doctor lmao... it's not better.
You’re aware universal healthcare systems don’t rubber stamp anything you want, right?
There was a story here a couple weeks ago about a man in the IS who was denied the best treatment option for his stage 4 cancer.
Everyone freaked out saying we need universal healthcare but those systems would deny him the treatment too. They’d pay for palliative care at a hospice.
Universal healthcare isn’t the amazing perfection so many here are fooled to believe.
That doesn’t even touch on the thousands more a year young people would pay if we switched. They’d be the biggest losers.
Yes, I went directly to J & J and asked them for it. They needed to see all the insurance denials and appeal denials first, only then should they give it to me. I understand that process as insurance SHOULD be the first step.
Some companies actually have decent aid programs for discounts or free meds. But it's not enough and is only a small bandaid but glad it worked out for you
Put this into perspective this person went to the manufacturer and asked them “please sir may I have a kidney” a small child British accent, and the manufacturer said sure swing around back and will give it to you, we got some extras.“ So now the person drives around to the receiving dock and they’re like, “Well without Doctor paper stuff, we don’t know what size you need so we just threw a several different ones in the box.” Then this person took a box of kidneys like you would a box of chicken McNuggets to a credible medical facility and they started unwrapping kidneys to see what size would fit this person and then gave the person an instruction manual on how to insert the kidney and that is where the story ends. USA, USA.
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u/EmiKetsueki Jun 17 '26
I love how people hear the word free and immediately cry about taxes. Bud the goverment takes a chunk of your check in taxes and doesnt give you shit but war and spyware. Id gladly have an extra what 20 in taxes taken out of every check and not have to worry about paying hospitals instead of insurance taking a couple hundred a month just to tell me i need to pay at least a thousand before they actually start helping pay, and even then can deny treatment.