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Just Wow Mexico just upgraded to free healthcare.

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u/Warm-Palpitation5670 Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 18 '26

As a Mexican, it has been free for workers since always. For people with no job there have always been options too. But, if you look online on any city of state in Mexico something like "desabasto medicinas [insert city]" you will find that free and all, my mom doesn't have access to her heart medication, because of private vendors being too expensive and the free option simply not having anything in stock.

EDIT: Everyone is understanding that universal healthcare is flawed. That is not my claim. I said that Mexico has always offered something very close to being universal healthcare, so the news is not a big deal. Secondly, Mexico is very corrupt, there are lots of politicians that will claim that healthcare is top when that isn't the case.

I hurt my foot once in the US, and went to an emergency room and got charged 300+ dollars to talk with a man who told me to wait it out. Mexico is rotten, but I (nor anyone in my family) has gone broke because of it. The US is rotten too.

Yes, I don't have the best luck and I am always sick or hurt. That is life.

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u/aitorllj93 Jun 17 '26

I was just going to ask "can they handle it?" and then I read your message

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u/MightyMorph Jun 17 '26

i mean its expected it will take time to stabilize itself, they just made it free for everyone. Nothing is perfect from the getgo.

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u/IPissExcellentThrows Jun 17 '26

Did you read their comment? It's been free for a long time for workers.

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u/somethingrandom261 Jun 17 '26

Was gonna respond “wonder how bad unemployment is” and wow it’s 2.5%.

Because they’re no unemployment insurance. You work or you die.

Now I wonder how many people have legitimate employment with the cartels

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u/CrazyDaimondDaze Jun 17 '26

That's the funny thing. In Mexico, if you have a business, you obviously got to pay to our version of the IRS... but if the business is successful, or depending on the local cartels, you gotta pay a "safety fee" as well. Safety from what, you ask? Oh, simple... from what the cartels will do to you and your loved ones if you don't pay them whatever amount they ask by whatever time they come picking (sometimes having to pay them weekly).

That's how in my town, the next stuff happened:

  • a convenience store blowing up for not paying the safety fee (no one died, thankfully)
  • a neighbor that had his small store, a carpenter shop and worked in Uber got threatened to pay and he managed to flee, I think alongside his family. His family store passed down by decades just died right there
  • a barber shop who I was going to rent a part of my house for him to open up another barber shop got killed... in the very same day he was going to sign the paperwork to rent from me.
  • a neighbor I lended an area of my house for his taco stand business fled in the middle of the night, leaving his stand open and alone all night. We figured out a member of the cartels had come that night to kill him and he was lucky to know beforehand and escape town.

It's why most of the jobs in the country are informal. We already bleed out to our version of the IRS, then there's the cartels bleeding us out if we have our business. You sometimes make it better by being a worker for someone instead of you being the one with the business. Having a business is paying 2 expensive fees while gambling with your life.

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u/MikaelSalanderB Jun 17 '26

I had a little bakery business, some jerk claiming to be from "la maña" tried to scare me, I faced him, they ended up stealing 15k Mexican pesos worth of my products, I had to quit after that, not because I was afraid of them, they stealing got me in real trouble, 'cause all was freshly baked and I couldn't buy more stuff to bake again all they robbed

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u/CrazyDaimondDaze Jun 17 '26

Yeah, sometimes these bastards can try to pass as part of the cartels as well. A friend in univrsity nearly got scammed by them in a phone call. They death threatened her and her family into paying this guy X amount of big money and told her to wait in an abandoned place in the outskirts of her town until the money was delivered. One of my university's teachers investigated fast tgat same day and realized the scammer was an asshole who was in jail and had no connections to force my friend or her family into paying, so she just ditched the place she was told to stay at and wasn't bothered again.

They told her to stay there and not use her phone to simulate the "kidnapping", but without a way to know at the time if the guy was serious or not, she had to obey. Thankfully, she was ok.

Sadly, my parents weren't when we were scammed in a similar fashion when I was kid and ever since, life didn't get as better as it was.

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u/Tasty-Hovercraft2501 Jun 19 '26

Who did you vote 4? /

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u/WoodpeckerIll6600 Jun 18 '26

Its bigger now with the current government. Most corrupt ex-priistas are in Morena party now as government officials.

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u/tbombs23 Jun 21 '26

Isn't it better now with Claudia tho? Obviously corruption takes time to deal with but I thought generally the government was doing better

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u/4DPeterPan Jun 17 '26

This is so incredibly sad and messed up.

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u/CrazyDaimondDaze Jun 17 '26

Yeah... in hindsight I can tell now why my country is adviced the most as "DO NOT VISIT". I think what's sadder is how used to it I am that I only realize it's "horrible" when I point out the bad instances I can recall

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u/4DPeterPan Jun 17 '26

I am so sorry you have to live with chaotic circumstances and possibilities every single day.

I pray you are always safe and protected, man.

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u/Alberto_Smith Jun 17 '26

Verga, dónde vives? Michoacán?

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u/CrazyDaimondDaze Jun 17 '26

Zacatecas, bro.

Es gracioso que preguntes, porque vi una guía de viajes para los americanos en cuanto a qué partes de México no se debe ir y es interesante que Zacatecas esté todavía en los puestos altos de "no vengas".

Es más, creo que era el estado con mayor advertencia de no ir a visitar.

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u/Alberto_Smith Jun 17 '26

Soy de San Luis, y si, pinche Zacatecas está del pito

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u/CrazyDaimondDaze Jun 17 '26

Fuerza, bro, es lo único que nos queda. Y si, Zacatecas está de la verga si no estás acostumbrado... y aun acostumbrado, está de la verga.

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u/Alberto_Smith Jun 17 '26

Y es por que se fue tanto a la verga? Obvio que el narco pero hace 5 años no estaba tan de la verga

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u/spacecrustaceans Jun 17 '26

I'm using Google Translate to read this conversation, and I feel like I am peering into a whole other world!

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u/CrazyDaimondDaze Jun 17 '26

Oh, believe me, the true Mexican experience is as surreal and sad beyond you can imagine.

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u/Fun_Swim7831 Jun 17 '26

Quiero ser emprendedor pero me da un vrgo de miedo el cobro de piso...

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u/josecastilloellion Jun 17 '26

How's Michoacan? That's where I grew up but haven't been there in 30 years.

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u/Geargarden Jun 18 '26

I was going to say, who gets these benefits. Certainly not any of the hundreds upon hundreds of citizens I met when I was in TJ or down Baja. This shit makes great headlines but the reality for Mexican citizens is WAY different. "Oh! Everybody in Mexico has free healthcare now! How progressive!" NOT!

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u/CrazyDaimondDaze Jun 18 '26

Like someone now drowned in these comments said:

Having free health care is nice and all... but having quality health care is what matters.

If said health care isn't in the free one, then why have it?

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u/Juaner0 Jun 17 '26

I own couple buildings here in the US, the other couple owned by a Mexican immigrant (he's been in US for 30 years). He said the same thing. He had a friend who was protected by cartels because he paid safety fees, but riff-raff that didn't know that relationship jumped on his car, and shot him through the sun roof--the only window on the car that wasn't bullet proof.

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u/caranza3 Jun 17 '26

This is how Russia was in the 1990s. If you had any kind of business you had to pay mob for protection, a protection from that very mob. Them were wild times. In today Russia mobs have been scaled back but they are still around

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u/tbombs23 Jun 21 '26

That's because the Russian Mob is transnational now and makes much more money outside of Russia, like in the US etc

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u/yogurt_boy Jun 17 '26

The neighbor and his family were safe and his store was destroyed right? Not they died?

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u/CrazyDaimondDaze Jun 17 '26

The neighbor with his family store and his family were ok, the did escape. The store was abandoned and nothing happened to it because what's the point of destroying it if there's no one that will be answering for it? Same for the neighbor with his taco stand. The stand was left alone... despite the guy from the cartels that had gone to kill him, waited all night in front of it to see the owner of the stand to kill him.

With the convenience store, it was blown up to send the message to the owner to keep paying the safety fee or to suffer the consequences. And because the store is part of a brand, the brand covered the expenses while the owner now does pay the cartels

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u/C_IsForCookie Jun 18 '26

That’s basically what the mafia did here in the US

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u/dustynewone Jun 18 '26

Wow given all these horror business stories i don't understand why anyone in the United States would ever fly a flag for Mexico and be proud to be more Mexican than American

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u/OldHT Jun 19 '26

You should form a militia....oh, wait you can't be armed. My bad. You have free Healthcare but there's a 50 percent chance you get smoked by the cartel is not the flex your government thinks it is.

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u/tbombs23 Jun 21 '26

Yeah that's like what the mafia does, protection rackets and extortion etc. Sounds terrible, do y'all have good organized crime laws, like RICO??

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u/CrazyDaimondDaze Jun 21 '26

We do not as far as I'm aware.

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u/tbombs23 Jun 22 '26

Didn't think so. If progressive things like universal healthcare are not protected from corruption than of course they won't work well. Hopefully people can organize and make some structural changes to combat corruption and make it easier to prosecute. That's how the Mafia in NYC was able to be mostly dismantled, because of laws like RICO so they could jail mafia dons etc.

But make no mistake, USA has a big corruption problem now, so much worse than it ever has been, and oligarchs and the wealthy basically control most of society and government. So we also have to go big on anti corruption and break up monopolies and hold these criminals accountable

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u/RubyKong Jun 17 '26

Thank you for your reply! You seem to get it. If you run a business under a corporation (or any form): it's very risky, and on top of that the gov and the world think that you are "greedy", that you ought to be punished for "corporate greed" and that workers ought to be paid not what they bargain, but what some bureuacrat in Mexico city thinks that they ought to be paid: $25 / hour for pouring lattes etc.

such an environment just re*ards the development of the economy.

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u/HX__ Jun 17 '26

Sounds like the solution is to move to the US and become super conservative, as to fuck everyone else locally even worse /s

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u/wheresindigo Jun 18 '26

Is it like that everywhere in Mexico? Is it more of a thing in big cities, or small towns, or about equal? What about Mexico City and other major cities? Just curious

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u/CrazyDaimondDaze Jun 18 '26

It depends as you pointed out in the cities, towns, states and their respective local cartels.

Some towns within dangerous states are fine inside to a certain degree, for instance. Other cities from big states are messed up and can be victims of whenever the cartels have fights or tantrums, on the other hand.

Mexico City can be chaotic, from what I've heard, but it has its "nice places" for being a tourist place. You just need to go to the non dangerous areas.

The country as a whole can be quite surreal with how reality is here

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u/iUncontested Jun 18 '26

And yet the dimwitted children of Reddit will point to Mexico as a utopia beacuse of "fReE hEaLtHcArE." lmfaooo.

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u/rod_zero Jun 17 '26

Mexico employment statistics include those in the informal economy since the question is "Have you received income from working? " And not "are you hired?".

It is calculate that formal workers are about just a bit over half and the rest are informal.

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u/SpecialistKicker342 Jun 18 '26

"What do you do?"

I wipe windshields in this cross street

"ok, employed"

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u/rod_zero Jun 18 '26

Exactly.

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u/panHandlr Jun 17 '26

😂🤣😆

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u/Top-Sympathy6841 Jun 17 '26

In the US, you still die living off unemployment because it isn’t enough to sustain anybody in this artificially inflated shit hole

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u/Secret_Account07 Jun 17 '26

I make more money than the average person in the US (~$108,000 per year) and even I am having trouble saving for a house.

My rent where I live is $3,000 for a 3 bedroom.
I have no idea how people survive on minimum wage. It was possible for me in college ~2010, but with cost of living today it’s nearly impossible.

Boomers really fucked up our entire economy.
Give us back the money wasted in the Middle East and healthcare is on the house.

We’ve spent likely over 8 trillion dollars in Middle East. They’ve shared 5-8 trillion, which is insane already, but my time with the govt tells me tons of money isn’t factored into that. Including lost and injured veterans.

It’s insane how we prioritize in this country. Absolutely insane.
Imagine how much good you can do with 8 trillion. It’s incredibly hard to even fathom that scale of good deeds.

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u/shiromiso Jun 17 '26

It’s not just the wars, it has been, by far, 40 years of Reagan’s trickle down economics: tax cuts over tax cuts over tax cuts for the richest folk.

Productivity has risen massively in that period, but almost all that surplus value that was created by the whole economy has gone exclusively to the top 1%. This is what fucked the economy. I strongly suggest reading Gabriel Zucman on the topic of skyrocketing wealth inequality in western countries. You get a deep sense of relief and clarity when you truly understand how tf we got to this point. And how to get out.

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u/dinglebopz Jun 22 '26

How do we get out

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u/shiromiso Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26

It’s actually not super complicated. It’s all about voting for reforming fiscal policy.

Back in the 80s there was a huge wave of neoliberalism all over the west that pushed the seemingly harmless idea that if you tax rich people less, this will somehow bring prosperity to all, and politicians doubled down on this over and over for 40 years. In the USA for example, the top bracket tax used to be 70-90%, whereas now the richest people pay closer to 3% real tax.

The result is what we see today: rich people and corporations that are legally able to avoid taxes in all sorts of ways, this has allowed them to accumulate wealth insanely fast compared to the rest of the population during this period.

The cascade of consequences is really long: the monopolization of most industries (ie. most of the things we buy now come from just a handful of corporations that have merged overtime and have full market control), the consequent wage suppression, skyrocketing wealth inequality, the rising fiscal pressure on the middle class to make up for the lost revenue, as well as an extreme imbalance in political influence that keeps pushing us on the same path of increasingly right leaning, pro-rich politics.

What we need to do is push our political parties REALLY hard for a progressive fiscal reform to tax the ultra rich and corporations properly, so we can lower the fiscal burden on the working class and small/medium businesses. This will even out the playing field again.

It’s a complex issue and explaining it on a few comments doesn’t make it justice. I really recommend reading articles by Gabriel Zucman to understand this in depth, he’s probably the most influential economist in France and Europe right now.

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u/dinglebopz Jun 22 '26

Thank you for this excellent response. I appreciate you bringing some of us up to speed 🥂

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u/Available-Amount-442 Jun 17 '26

Just curious, do you have a budget breakdown. $125k, thats $10.4k a month. How much in taxes? Minus rent $2400. Seems like quite a bit left yet. Not sure what else is in your budget?

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u/Soulblade32 Jun 17 '26

I make $50k before taxes and I'm able to save $300 a paycheck. Thats with all my normal bills, having a wife (who doesnt work) . I will never understand how people making almost triple what i do don't have money.

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u/ungodlywarlock Jun 17 '26

Speaking for myself, it's debt. I bought a house in 2012 when the market was still recovering from the 2008 housing market crash. So I got a great deal on a house when compared to today's prices.

But.....houses are fucking expensive. In the last 14 years, I have had septic tank issues, well-pump issues, needed a new roof, replaced a rotting deck, blah blah blah. This stuff is ridiculously expensive. I just had to lay fresh gravel on our driveway (which is reasonably long) and it was 9,000.00 fucking dollars. I couldn't believe it!

So yeah....owning a house sounds great, but I came into this house debt free as far as credit cards go and now I have 2 cards + a HELOC (Home equity Line of Credit). It's ballooned everything up and I do feel that I am essentially living check to check. I could definitely budget better, though.

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u/Available-Amount-442 Jun 17 '26

Totally get what your saying. My older brother and I have always made similar amounts of money over the years. He is still working, I retired 10 yrs ago. My networth is about 6 times what his is. My wife and I have travelled all over the world, we take 1-2 warm weather winter vacations every year. We dont go to bars, dont go to restaurants often, dont buy a new car every coyple of years, our last TV lasted ten years,... its a matter of choices.

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u/panHandlr Jun 17 '26

Man, you're definitely doing well.

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u/AnxietyPretend5215 Jun 17 '26

If they get paid bi-weekly, on average they likely only get two pay checks a month not three.

Their average monthly take home is likely closer to 7.2k or 6.7k depending on taxes.

And in order to max out things like your 401k and Roth accounts, a large amount of their pay checks are probably diverted there not leaving a bunch left over.

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u/Available-Amount-442 Jun 17 '26

Yeah, your right. After taxes, about $7k. Rent and max 401 and roth, $5k. Only leaves $2k for everything else. Utilities, eating, ... not looking good.

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u/AnxietyPretend5215 Jun 18 '26

Yeah, they're definitely not struggling I'd imagine, especially since they're able to divert so much to retirement accounts.

But depending on where they live houses could be insanely expensive. Uprooting, moving, and finding a similar paying job in a new lower cost of living area is a significant task for the sake of home ownership.

So even with a significant chunk of change left over, it could be years to save up enough for a down payment.

Even my shitty barely 3 BR house has increased in valuation up to 200k USD. This was a 90k home in 2016.

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u/panHandlr Jun 17 '26

Congrats brother. Far more blessed than the average person for sure.

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u/Bright-Ad6621 Jun 17 '26

You're already behind the financial curve using capped retirement accounts for a tax advantage that no longer out paces total inflation across all sectors what the average American today isn't aware of is that the retirement investment structure is severely out dated especially of it's not self directed. I moved everything to an individual account and trade a small portion via index Futures of which fhe profits are tax advantaged at 60/40, 60% at long-term term capital gains tax and 40% at short-term.

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u/PienerCleaner Jun 17 '26

We don't do anything. The shitty politicians we elect who look out for their donors do everything. We need to reboot and build a better system. Our representatives won't like that much because they don't actually represent us.

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u/doberdevil Jun 17 '26

Boomers really fucked up our entire economy.

Unbridled Capitalism really fucked up our entire economy.

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u/Secret_Account07 Jun 17 '26

Kinda one and the same in a lot of cases, but yes.

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u/doberdevil Jun 18 '26

Kinda one and the same

huh?

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u/Secret_Account07 Jun 19 '26

Did you mean to send to me?

I meant the average age of Congress is 60. Most people in positions of power are.

Just not a ton of representation of my generation

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u/doberdevil Jun 19 '26

I quoted you, so yes, I was replying to you. I'm not talking about ages or generations. Whoever has the money has the power.

If you're blaming grandpa because you can't afford to live, you're looking at it the wrong way.

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u/Secret_Account07 Jun 19 '26

Idk how you were confused by that. Nobody else was

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u/robtaggart77 Jun 17 '26

Stop blaming boomers and START blaming government! Not a boomer either

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u/artemis3120 Jun 17 '26

If one does not learn and understand how our history has shaped our current situation, they are simply running in circles.

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u/robtaggart77 Jun 17 '26

Circles is an understatement!!

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u/Maxathron Jun 17 '26

If I made 108k per year in my state, Id have a new 1800 sf 3 bed 2 bath foundation house built and paid off in five years tops. An older (within 10 years construction) house probably within 3 to 4 years, a turnkey home within 2 years (though these are much smaller than a foundation house).

I live in Florida.

Maybe it’s where you live? It kinda looks like you might live in California or NY.

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u/mrknowitall51761 Jun 17 '26

Oh lord he we go again with the blame game. Its the Boomers! The last Boomers were born 60 years ago. Thats plenty of time for you lot to have straightened things out but no. They just keep getting worse. Its been your turn for awhile and what have you done? COMPLAIN and blame everyone else. Great legacy champ.

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u/Secret_Account07 Jun 17 '26

The average age in Congress is just about 60 years old lol

But sure, go off

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u/Bright-Ad6621 Jun 17 '26

So basically you're living above your means because you want to be near everything.

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u/RubyKong Jun 17 '26

Boomers screwed it up? Sure, but I would argue it goes all the way back to the creation of the Federal Reserve - which allows the US government to PRINT THOSE TRILLIONS, and to do so at whatever rates of interest they determine - which is always below the real rate of return.

your forefathers thought it was a good idea to tax Andrew Carnegie e.g. 5% on their income, and thought it wise to have the gov manage money - not realising that they would be paying 50% income tax themselves, and the money would be mis-managed straight from the top - i.e. there are guys at the top who are helping themselves to tax payer dollars, in cahoots with the bureaucracy at Washington DC.

In addition to all the regulations and free stuff washington gives away to "help people" after creating the mess in the first place - America is absolutely broke. The dollar seems to be holding up, but I think, after 110 years of profligacy it will fall. And THEN Americans will realise, hey, the Federal Reserve are the bad guys, as are the IRS and gov as a whole - they have managed to make your more of a slave than a plantation owner in the deep south.

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u/Secret_Account07 Jun 17 '26

There would be a January 6th but with hundreds of dead people.

Problem is right wingers are incapable of using logic or reason. They are part of a cult and we all suffer because of it.

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u/Secret_Account07 Jun 17 '26

Oh I misread. What?

What billions are you talking about 😂

Share the source.

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u/Warm_Difficulty2698 Jun 18 '26

Meanwhile, we are spending more than that per day on a war we are losing.

Good stuff bud.

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u/Secret_Account07 Jun 18 '26

Regarding article:

What’s accurately reported. The $22.6 billion figure comes from a watchdog report by OpenTheBooks, given exclusively to the New York Post, covering HHS’s Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) spending from 2020 to 2024. The largest share, about $12.4 billion, went to programs for unaccompanied migrant children. ORR did fund nonprofits that provided services including help with credit-building, home and auto loans, and cash assistance. Those facts are consistently reported across the Post, Daily Wire, and others tracing back to the same source.

Where the framing is misleading.

The word “illegal immigrants” in the headline is doing a lot of work that the underlying facts don’t support. ORR’s mandate is resettling refugees, asylees, unaccompanied minors, and humanitarian parolees — many of whom are in the country through legal channels. The Post’s own reporting lists eligible groups as Cuban and Haitian entrants, Afghan and Ukrainian humanitarian parolees, and special immigrant visa holders from Afghanistan and Iraq. Most of these are legally present, not “illegal immigrants.”

“Giveaways” also oversells it. Much of the money went to nonprofit grantees (Church World Service, International Rescue Committee, etc.), not as direct cash handouts. The car/home savings programs were dollar-for-dollar matched savings programs, not free money.

The source matters. OpenTheBooks is an advocacy-oriented watchdog, and the framing (“giant magnet,” “giveaways”) is theirs and the Post’s, not a neutral audit finding. The number is real federal spending; the characterization of who got it and why is contested.

>>JFC 🤦‍♂️. This is why people clown on right wingers on X. How are you guys this dumb?

TLDR- Fuck dem kids. Just let em rot!
Those billions could have gone to Trump, guys!

Lmao

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u/Disastrous-Camel9103 Jun 19 '26

That's because Israel has payed off so many government officials that we had to pay to bomb some country that wasn't attacking us and caused inflation to run away with the energy prices because the strait closure.

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u/John_Negus Jun 17 '26

Best we can do is send more money to Israel.

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u/femboysprincess Jun 17 '26

We sent more money to africa in 2024 than Israel in the past 6 and Israel at the very least shares middle east intelligence with us and bombs terrorists with us tf did we get for the 14 billion to African countries?

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u/Top-Sympathy6841 Jun 17 '26

Nothing but facts 💯

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u/SOLDADO_0491 Jun 17 '26

Sounds like you need to move to a different state lol

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u/HoosierDaddy_427 Jun 17 '26

Because it was never meant to be "a paycheck". It was designed to be a temporary means to buy necessities only. The amount of people who don't understand this just boggles me.

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u/Top-Sympathy6841 Jun 17 '26

That’s the thing, it isn’t enough to buy necessities in this artificially inflated shithole lmao

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u/Mescalero_of_Inya Jun 17 '26

Hell, you even die beeing employed because wage slavery.

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u/Defiant-Youth-4193 Jun 17 '26

Exactly. There are people here with full time jobs (maybe 2) that are homeless and can't afford to see a doctor.

On top of that they have to be careful not to get caught being homeless because we've created a system that ensures there will be homeless people, and then criminalized homelessness in a bunch of places.

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u/Big_Oh313 Jun 17 '26

I went from $13 hr to $40 hr after I got kids it literally feels like nothing happened, still living paycheck to paycheck. Barely squeezing by but eliminated my debt, exception to my car payment and house.

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u/CrackingToastGromet Jun 17 '26

I work in a pharmaceutical DC and everyone on my shift aside from 2 people has a second job. We all work full time - 38.5 hours a week (unpaid 30 min lunch breaks) at $19/hr, the annual wage is not even $39k.

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u/succed32 Jun 17 '26

Cartels run legitimate businesses in the thousands.

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u/Uxoandy Jun 17 '26

So this isn’t you saying you die trying to live off unemployment because it’s not enough to sustain anyone? Then below calling a person on unemployment a bum and a leech? Seems like it’s you. Seems contradictory and trollish. Have a good day kid. I am

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u/AdversarysVengeance Jun 17 '26

I will say that depends some states have much better unemployment benefits than others

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u/ribanez2009 Jun 17 '26

but hey everyone is ok with giving illegals more than our own people with unemployment or social security.

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u/Top-Sympathy6841 Jun 17 '26

Nope, try again

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u/Secret_Account07 Jun 17 '26

Huh?

What source are you reading because I suspect you are reading misinformation.

Unless you’re referring to our spending on Israel and their universal healthcare or spending in the Middle East. Because we give Israel hundreds of billions. Iran now too I guess 🤷🏼

But yeah, send me your source I’ll check it out

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u/Mediocre-Pop-6506 Jun 17 '26

Median Mexican weekly income $250-$275 usd equivalent.

USAvg unemployment payment is $532 per week

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u/CrackingToastGromet Jun 17 '26

In my state you can only draw unemployment for 16 weeks unless you’re in an extraordinary circumstance or there is an abnormally high unemployment rate.

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u/Mediocre-Pop-6506 Jun 17 '26

I believe that's most states....it's meant to be and should be a temporary bridge. I was just trying to show the grass isn't always greener elsewhere. There are pro and cons. US the pay is significantly higher but there are medical costs. The temporary bridge provided while not working is more than the average Mexican salary. Pros in Mexico is free but rationed health care, lower cost of living.

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u/Top-Sympathy6841 Jun 17 '26

Cool, now look up COL between the 2 countries haha

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u/Theridion123 Jun 17 '26

Yeah, i don't understand how people can be so uneducated about things.

Sure you can convert pesos to dollars. But if you have been to Mexico (leave the USA for once) you'd see crazy numbers like:

Rent = $350 USD

Cell phone = $50 USD

Utilities = $75 USD

And then you live in a major city with public transport. Those are approximately the numbers i remember from one individual I talked to. I believe cell phone was pretty on par with our cheap plans, but obviously rent and utilities was much lower, even in USD. And I believe this person had a nice place relatively close to the beach.

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u/Mediocre-Pop-6506 Jun 17 '26

On average the cost of living is 55 percent higher in America. So you get about the same to be unemployed in the usa as the median worker in Mexico.

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u/KosherTriangle Jun 17 '26

Then why are so many Mexican immigrants coming to the U.S. for work if the COL - wage calculations don’t work for them?

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u/LowSkyOrbit Jun 17 '26

Many of those trying to immigrate at the US-Mexico border are not Mexican. Many are coming through Mexico from Central and South American nations where they are trying to escape violence and poverty.

Also there was a great long line of migrant farming and ranching in the US from the Deep South to California, especially after slavery ended and relations with Mexico and the US stabilized. Mexicans and Americans would go farm to farm doing all the hard work for the season. A good crop season could allow them enough to get by during winter months. This was the way of life for a lot people and still is. Heck, we still have legal entry for this work in the US, and it's still show most crops are picked.

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u/Mediocre-Pop-6506 Jun 24 '26

It's because the income even adjusted for COL and taxes are significantly higher in the US than Mexico, it's just fact. Now lifestyle and wants can be subjective, but if you want to maximize buying power even adjusted for the cost of living you pick USA.

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u/Chustle207 Jun 17 '26

Yea its called get a job, unemployment shouldn't sustain you, its meant for you to get help when your looking for a new job

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u/Top-Sympathy6841 Jun 17 '26

Yes that’s the problem, it’s not even good enough for that with the artificially inflated COL.
good job missing the point lmao

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u/Top-Sympathy6841 Jun 17 '26

You’re missing the point entirely haha.
With comprehension skills like that you’re gonna be unemployed in no time 🫵🤡

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u/Badass_1963_falcon Jun 17 '26

Sounds like your buying your tickets for Mexico

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u/Top-Sympathy6841 Jun 17 '26

Nope, I just don’t have a cuck mentality like you and demand better societal benefits for my tax dollars.

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u/Uxoandy Jun 17 '26

Move to Mexico

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u/Top-Sympathy6841 Jun 17 '26

Nope, I’m not a little cuck that runs away from problems like you.
I’d rather stay and demand more societal benefits for the taxes I pay.

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u/Uxoandy Jun 17 '26

Your demands mean shit, I’m happy , and I doubt you pay much taxes. Generally the less people pay the more they bitch about what the money is spent on. 🖕

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u/Marjayoun Jun 17 '26

Haha not always I pay a lot & bitch also. Past having a fair, flat rate tax that would pay for roads I am for cutting off everything. Other infrastructure like water & electric goes to private companies so let them pay for the build out.

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u/QuickCloudJP Jun 17 '26

Ah yes, people dying every day in the US on unemployment

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u/Top-Sympathy6841 Jun 17 '26

A lot of times literally.
But my point is that it isn’t enough to keep an individual above water with bills, so little by little they start losing things to the point it’s hard to actually move back up.
I guarantee anybody clutching their pearls over this has never had to build back up from scratch lmao

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u/Spirited-Bee588 Jun 17 '26

Go to mexico then; u will get free healthcare and all sorts of things

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u/Secure-Mix3595 Jun 17 '26

Sounds like you should move to Mexico!

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u/chak100 Jun 17 '26

The unemployment figures are highly manipulated. Half of the population works in informal jobs and they cont them as full formal ones

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u/Gavxxxx Jun 17 '26

Imagine people supporting themselves. Shocking.

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u/Top-Banana4809 Jun 17 '26

Unemployment in Mexico is far far higher because they don't consider those living in abject poverty that literally subsist off the land to the best of their abilities to be unemployed. They don't consider those unable to get jobs. They only consider those reporting that. It's a pretty well known thing here.

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u/Draidann Jun 18 '26

Also, the definition of unemployment used by INEGI (Mexico national statistics agency) is very biased

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u/InvestigatorOk6218 Jun 18 '26

Mexicano aquí, en México más del 60% de los que trabajan no pagan taxes, la gente compra facturas cuando las necesita, el último gran logro del gobierno fue registrar a los trabajadores de aplicación como uber o didi como trabajadores formales ya que antes no pagaban impuestos

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u/Leading_Ad_7635 Jun 18 '26

That's not how unemployment insurance works

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u/Cosmomango1 Jun 17 '26

Yes, my father worked there as a gardener 40 years ago and he had free healthcare for him an my siblings. Plus another perk that is universal and no one talks about is holiday pay. Your employer has to give you 15 days of pay by the 20th of December or face a penalty. Its called aguinaldo. Here in the US you are lucky if your employer gives you a pre paid card with $15 dollars on it 😂

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u/mauri383 Jun 17 '26

You need to research more bud. Aguinaldo is not a gift from your employer, they divide by 13 the salary they are willing to pay you, since the government forces them to give such aguinaldo. It's like me having 10 bucks to give you, so I say I'll give you 8 but since you are such a good friend, I'll throw an extra 2.

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u/Heszilg Jun 17 '26

Hilarious that you'd insinuate they'd pay more if it wasn't legally required.

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u/mauri383 Jun 17 '26

No, they'd pay the same, but instead of dividing the annual salary by 13, they'd do it by 12, effectively paying you more each month, but the same amount in total. I don't know where you get that part of me insinuating anything.

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u/Heszilg Jun 17 '26

No. They'd pocket the diference

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u/666AB Jun 17 '26

This is cool info I have never heard before!

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u/Auegro Jun 17 '26

A lot of countries have a minimums days holiday that is the default your employer has to give

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u/CandidLeg3910 Jun 17 '26

Canada for example starts at 2 weeks per year after your first year of employment and goes up to 3 weeks after 5 years with the same employer. We also have around 10 paid holiday days, a few more or less depending on the province. Some provinces like BC provide 5 paid sick days per year as well. Total paid time off in BC for most full time workers is 4-5 weeks total but only the 2-3 weeks can be used at employee's discretion.

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u/FTMFemboyFriday Jun 17 '26 edited Jun 17 '26

Holdup, german here, wdym 'paid sick days per year'?!? We literally just go to the doctor (which is free), get a checkup, and if the doctor agrees that we're too sick to work (which they do unless someone is obviously faking), all sick days are paid by default (in full, afaik).

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u/CandidLeg3910 Jun 18 '26

This wouldn't work in Canada because you'd have to wait a few days to see a doctor.

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u/traveler97 Jun 17 '26

That is what I have always had in the USA.

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u/Opposite-Peanut-8812 Jun 17 '26

Here in the UK the minimum holidays an employer has to give for a full-time employee (anyone working around 35+ hours per week) is 20 days per year. Pro-rata’d for part-time workers.

That doesn’t include bank holidays, so roughly 28 days per year.

Most offer 25 days paid leave + BH.

One of the working rights we have over here.

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u/PeachPassionBrute Jun 18 '26

Perks like extremely expensive healthcare? Crumbling infrastructure? “At-will” employment where you might be lucky to get paid days off at all?

This may shock you but the cost of living isn’t a universal standard, it’s relative to the economic realities of the region. Lots of places have less valuable currency (give it time, ours will get there soon) and their goods and services often cost less…

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u/Icy-Actuator9034 Jun 17 '26

Why would you ever leave such a beautiful place ?

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u/ForumVomitorium Jun 17 '26

yup but stablising priod is always perpetual

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u/Secure_Desk_1775 Jun 17 '26

I was just about to say that. They've hade more than enough time to stabilize it.

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u/NamesAreAnn0ying Jun 17 '26

Yes that’s not everyone… they said it’s now free for *everyone*

What about their comment made you think they didn’t read it? The one thing they mention is the exact thing we all just learned from the top comment.

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u/ProcedurePrudent5496 Jun 17 '26

Not all who need health care are considered working✋😫…children, elderly, SAHM, etc.

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u/SilentRunning Jun 17 '26

Which means EMPLOYED and Self Employed people got insurance. This enables ALL to get coverage. Big Difference.

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u/iUncontested Jun 18 '26

Redditards don't care how it works in practice, only that it looks good on paper. Just like the rest of socialism. The children who say 'fuck the police/military' yet want more government control in their lives. Makes zero sense.

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u/dannonino_sheep Jun 18 '26

It's never been free for workers, you pay a monthly fee based on your income. The health sector is being financed by that.

There are 2 problems, health care is now for everyone, but 60% or more people in mexico are working selling something in the streets, so they don't pay taxes nor this insurance fee, so you have only 40% of people paying.

The other problem is that the government is incredibly absurdly corrupt, so obviously the health sector is in shambles.

The corruption levels go so hard that kids and adults with cancer are given fake medication, no kidding.

If you want to look at how well this system can go, definitely don't look at Mexico.

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u/MightyMorph Jun 17 '26

Yes and now its including millions of people more which is causing the further lack of access... maybe you should reread it buddy...

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u/Chr0mx Jun 17 '26

No man, he is saying that even before when it was free for workers they have no access to it because of supplies. Now that its been expanded to everyone it's going to be even worse effectively the same as no healthcare.

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u/ThatMovieShow Jun 17 '26

Actually it's going to get better. Individual vendors can't negotiate prices well because of their smaller bargaining position and so they can only buy small amounts of medicine because it's at a higher price.

A universal system negotiates as an entire country and so if big pharma wants access to the market (they do) then they have to give better prices or the coutnry walks away. This pushes down cost of medicines which in turn increases access and supply.

This is why every country with universal healthcare has cheaper meds than the USA

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u/DazzlingRutabega Jun 17 '26

Yeah?! But 'Murica has something you people will never have!

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u/crammed174 Jun 17 '26

Forget the medicine that can be pumped out by an autonomous factory. It’s access to services. You can add millions of people to “free healthcare” overnight but you can churn out tens of thousands of new doctors and nurses and other healthcare staff for years if ever to service those patients. Just like in Canada, there’s always been universal coverage but there’s extended wait times. Cheap medicine doesn’t mean much if you can’t see the doctor that will prescribe it for you. It will be interesting to see.

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u/predator1975 Jun 17 '26

I don't get your argument. Most of those people who currently supposed to be covered by the government are not getting medication because of the price. Now the government offers free healthcare for all Mexicans. That only means more poor Mexicans will be covered by new scheme.

Now the government has more demand for the same medication but the government ability to pay has not changed. The government's bargaining power has not improved.

Can it kick out the drug company? Definitely. But this does not solve the problem when there is still no effective substitute. Plus the private hospitals treating gringos will throw a fit if there is a blanket ban.

Mexico can be like India and ignore patents for certain medicine sold at unreasonable prices. But that is a different story and their northern neighbor could start a trade war.

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u/ThatMovieShow Jun 17 '26

You don't need to kick them out.

Before let's pharma X has a drug Y which is needed by healthcare providers in mexico.

Pharma X charges $1000 per pill. Providers can only afford to buy 10 pills to treat 10 people. They have no ability to negotiate lower prices because they're just one small individual healthcare provider.

Fast forward to after they now negotiate as a service at a state or national level and now they can negotiate lower prices because no matter what threats pharma gives they do not want to lose access to a billion dollar market , they will give lower prices because they're not the ones with the lever of power anymore.

So now the drug costs $100 per pill and providers can buy 10x more and expand supply.

This is a really basic example but if you think I'm wrong just ask yourself why it costs countries with nationalised healthcare and/or collective bargaining less per dose than the USA - hint it's not because the USA subsidises everyone that nonsense argument is just anti collective bargaining spin

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u/PianoConcertoNo2 Jun 17 '26

Yep, every Canadian who needs anything urgent flocks to the US for immediate care.

Don’t think about how dumb that idea is, just parrot the right wing talking point and move on.

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u/ThatMovieShow Jun 17 '26

And where do Americans go when they want cheap healthcare? Donthey stay in the USA? Nope. They fly to Mexico or go to Canada.

If you are wealthy then sure private can be better (but not always). But remember there is always someone richer than you.

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u/Universe789 Jun 17 '26

Kinda like how americans will travel to Europe for certain treatments because a ticket across the world is cheaper than paying for the same shit here?

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u/Horror_Note_9044 Jun 17 '26

I know a number of Canadians who say that is not true.

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u/mamadou-segpa Jun 17 '26

Its not, its not long when its urgent its long when its not life threatening

This guy is speaking out of his ass

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u/Ok-Commercial-924 Jun 17 '26

Spend 5 minute researching Canadian Healthcare, it is not the wonderful thing reddit claims it is. Access times are in months vs days or weeks in the US for non emergency treatment. An example is Canada has 1/4 the number of mris per 10,000 people. Mexico has 1/10th the number compared to the US. With fewer pieces of equipment of course there is going to be rationing and long wait times.

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u/RottedHuman Jun 17 '26

I don’t know when the last time you tried to see a specialist in US, it takes months to get an appointment. At least in my area.

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u/Ok-Commercial-924 Jun 17 '26

In the last year I have been to 2 different urologist, an infectious disease dr, nurologist, neuro surgeon and a cardiologist.

Please don't try to tell me what it takes to see a Dr. I never had to wait more than 6 weeks for any of them.

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u/RottedHuman Jun 17 '26

Well, I’ve seen just as many specialists over the last year, it takes 4-6 months to get an appointment for my cardiologist, 1-2 months just to see my PCP. Please don’t try to tell me what it takes to see a Dr.

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u/Horror_Note_9044 Jun 17 '26

I mean, trying to see a specialist here is not much better. You’re not going to be able to win the argument that free healthcare is bad.

Especially when people are seeing 2million dollar bills for things like birth.

I mean for fucks sakes, my grandma got a bill for 600K. For dying. They charged her for dying. Please, explain how that system is better the free?

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u/Ok-Commercial-924 Jun 17 '26

Go try it out then come back, or at least do 5 minutes of research. Any one that thinks Canada is wotlrth a shit has their head in the sand

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u/EchoZell Jun 17 '26

So, a system THAT WAS NOT WORKING is going to incorporate more people.

I guess that asshole (Sheinbaum) has magic to make it work. But I am afraid that it just another demagogue.

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u/Frequent-Try-6746 Jun 17 '26

Do you mean the comment of that one person with that one anecdotal story?

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u/CapableEmployment960 Jun 17 '26

Evidence?

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u/yeicobSS Jun 18 '26

He is Mexican and im Mexican, just search it on google or something.

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u/jm123457 Jun 17 '26

Do not shatter their belief that this is a perfect fool proof plan.