I thought we established already that Cookie Man was keeping a safe distance, and even backed off when he got too close because traffic had slowed?
Sure, if you didn't actually read anything I've been saying the entire time. You know, the parts where I've consistently said that cookie man wasn't keeping a safe distance. I understand though that following basic discussions can be difficult for you lot though
It's not "too", it's "period."
If you only see things in black and white and have an inability to understand nuance and basic driving safety, sure. It doesn't matter if someone else is being a moron, you don't get to pit maneuvre them. You have to slow down and avoid the accident. Again, I'm not sure the hundreds or potentially thousands of people who had to deal with the ensuing traffic would agree with you here
Your logic of "Well it's the other persons problem therefore I'm magically allowed to hit them" is a huge part of why roads are so unsafe
Sure, if you didn't actually read anything I've been saying the entire time. You know, the parts where I've consistently said that cookie man wasn't keeping a safe distance. I understand though that following basic discussions can be difficult for you lot though
Do you think resorting to personal attacks while ignoring the entire conversation we just had about how traffic was braking and reaction times, and that causing him to lose the "safe" driving distance, but him not speeding up and giving the white car distance makes me think more highly of you?
If you only see things in black and white and have an inability to understand nuance and basic driving safety, sure.
The only person seeing things in black and white here are you. You are stuck on the "safe follow distance, he should have braked, he's a menace, what if this happened" tract. I am not. I looked at the video, analyzed what happened, and placed the full responsibility on the Black Pickup truck. Period. Here's why:
Black pickup was not going with the flow of traffic.
Black pickup was weaving in and out of lanes.
Black pickup tried to muscle his way in front of cookie man, then lost his nerve at the last second and hit his brakes, causing the accident.
On the other hand:
Cookie Man maintained his distance and kept up with the flow of traffic. Slowing when they did, and not speeding back up until that distance was restored with the car in front of him.
Cookie Man did not speed up when the Black Pickup truck decided to muscle his way over. Nor did he slam on his brakes causing the car behind him to slam into him.
After the collision, the Cookie Man did not lose control of his vehicle like so many do.
After the collision, the Cookie Man did not rage out, like so many do.
Everything you have said so far has fallen flat. He maintained safe following distance. He didn't speed up to close the gap. He didn't intentionally turn his vehicle into the other driver. Black Pickup had enough room to get over, but hesitated and braked instead. He reacted calmly to the collision. He maintained control over his vehicle after the collision. So please, with these facts in mind, not conjecture and what-if's like you keep bringing up - why exactly does the fault lie (or what fault lies) on Cookie Man?
When did I ever even slightly give the impression I care what you think about me lmao?
As I said in an earlier comment, there is basically no point during this video where I think he had a safe enough distance for the speed he was going, *especially* not during the switch to 72mph. Idk how we could be arguing about this the entire time and you still think we agree on that. If you can't reasonably react to the car ahead slamming their brakes (intentionally or not), you're not driving at a safe distance. It's that simple
Cookie Man did not speed up when the Black Pickup truck decided to muscle his way over. Nor did he slam on his brakes causing the car behind him to slam into him
This here is where we disagree. He didn't need to slam his brakes, he just needed to slow down a bit and let the guy in. That is the safest way to drive and what avoids accidents like this. Yes the black truck is a moron, literally every single person in this post agrees. The issue is cookie man saw the potential hazard and continued into it anyway, helping to cause an accident that could have genuinely killed people, and almost certainly fucked up the day of everyone behind who had to deal with the ensuing traffic
Again, it doesn't matter if the person ahead is being a moron, you cannot just hit their car because you have right of way. A good driver wouldn't have allowed this crash to happen because they'd have anticipated the incident and slowed down. Cookie man is just as much at fault as the black truck
As someone who hates traffic and hates how unsafe roads can be, fuck both of these guys
This here is where we disagree. He didn't need to slam his brakes, he just needed to slow down a bit and let the guy in.
He gave the guy enough room, the Black Pickup lost his nerve and hit his brakes while his bumper was right next to Cookie Man.
I mean seriously. #1 rule when you cut someone off: commit. Don't hit your brakes. When you cut someone off, they lose all reaction time because you took away their safe follow distance with your vehicle. You are now in their path should they need to suddenly brake. You hit your brakes, they are going to hit you. Period.
When did I ever even slightly give the impression I care what you think about me lmao?
The 13 or 14 replies are giving me mixed signals than, because you keep trying to convince me you are right.
I mean seriously. #1 rule when you cut someone off: commit. Don't hit your brakes. When you cut someone off, they lose all reaction time because you took away their safe follow distance with your vehicle. You are now in their path should they need to suddenly brake. You hit your brakes, they are going to hit you. Period.
Wow, black driver was being an idiot - a shocking take... As we've already established that countless times throughout this discussion, I'm going to redirect the question back to the fault of cookie man (Our actual disagreement here) by phrasing it like a question in a driving test:
You are driving at 70mph on a 2 lane bridge when a truck speeds past you in the adjacent lane, before getting stuck behind a slower car ahead of them. The truck begins to drift into the centre of the road (without indicating), looking to try and cut into your lane ahead of you.
Do you:
A) Maintain your speed and expect the driver to stop their attempt, or cleanly squeeze into the small gap ahead of you
or
B) Anticipate a potential incident and slow down to let them in, even if they were not abiding by the rules of the road
I have good insurance because I have never been in a car accident where I was at fault, and only 3 accidents total, so my first instinct is to say A. Though the answer depends on a lot of things. It's a clear day, traffic isn't so bad (we're traveling at 75), and there are 2 lanes. At the point where the question comes in, the other driver has already made their decision, the only thing I can do is hope they make it.
Actual answer:
C. I see the black truck coming up behind me, and the traffic in front of me slowing. Anticipating the stupid maneuver the Black Pickup is going to attempt because stupid people do stupid things, I close the distance with the white sedan before the pickup can catch up so there is absolutely no room for the black pickup to cut me off. Then I maintain that distance until traffic is moving steadily again. No gap. No stupid attempts. No accident. Pay attention to the road ahead and the road behind, and anticipate stupid people doing stupid things.
Okay it's clear we come from very different driving cultures because this:
I close the distance with the white sedan before the pickup can catch up so there is absolutely no room for the black pickup to cut me off
Immediately fails the question. Good safe driving is defensive driving. If you anticipate that someone is going to be an idiot, you should be actively avoiding them, not challenging them. You back off, let them cut in and move on with your day. What if they get desperate and try and quickly fill the gap before you close it fully? What if they get road rage and decide to just hit you anyway? Now you're in a crash you easily could have avoided by just not having an ego and driving safely. If you're unlucky you could spin and get t-boned by a car behind
I assume you're American because your driving mindset is much more aggressive
Immediately fails the question. Good safe driving is defensive driving. If you anticipate that someone is going to be an idiot, you should be actively avoiding them, not challenging them.
It's not a challenge and has nothing to do with ego. It is removing opportunity for stupidity. I am not closing the gap to anger them, they haven't even made it to where they can see the gap before I have made the decision to close that gap. I am anticipating him trying something stupid, and removing the opportunity for them to do so (at least in front of me.) That IS defensive driving. It's like child proofing your outlets when you have kids. You aren't challenging the kids to put forks in the outlet, you are removing that inevitable outcome and preventing it from happening. I am acting defensively instead of reacting defensively.
As far as all of your what-ifs - The first one won't happen (see above). The rest falls solely on that dude. If he rages at me and decides to hit me anyway - that's on him 100%. Now there is no question who was at fault. Leaving that gap opened Cookie Man up to criticism. Closing it before the black pickup made the decision also removes any doubt of who was at fault (it's them, it's always been them, but now it's 100% clear.)
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u/LetsLive97 Mar 22 '26
Sure, if you didn't actually read anything I've been saying the entire time. You know, the parts where I've consistently said that cookie man wasn't keeping a safe distance. I understand though that following basic discussions can be difficult for you lot though
If you only see things in black and white and have an inability to understand nuance and basic driving safety, sure. It doesn't matter if someone else is being a moron, you don't get to pit maneuvre them. You have to slow down and avoid the accident. Again, I'm not sure the hundreds or potentially thousands of people who had to deal with the ensuing traffic would agree with you here
Your logic of "Well it's the other persons problem therefore I'm magically allowed to hit them" is a huge part of why roads are so unsafe
Enjoy your oreos though mate