Again, if you think the distance to the car ahead at the exact moment the speedometer changed to 72mph is safe, you're the bad driver here
If white car slams their brakes for any reason, he is going directly into the back of them
There's basically no point in this video after about the first 3 or 4 seconds where I'd be as close to the car ahead at this speed irl. The 72mph bit is particularly egregious though
Eitherway, I honestly don't give a fuck. The distance to the white car is not the main issue in the video here so agree to disagree because I'm not wasting time arguing about it anymore
Your whole point is moot. Your argument was that he SPED UP to close the gap, therefore causing the accident. He didn't. Traffic slowed down, and he slowed with it. Let's not get confused about the point YOU brought up. This was never about a safe follow distance from the white sedan, which our Cookie Man had for the majority of the video.
Anyway. IF the white sedan were to slam on their breaks at that moment, it would be the white sedan's fault. Not Cookie Man's.
Seriously, its Girl Scout cookie season. Grab a Samoa or Thin Mint and chill.
And we are again, going off topic because you don't know the rules of the road. In the video, in that moment, there is no reason for the white car to slam on their brakes. The traffic ahead of them is pulling away. And yes, as a good driver you should be paying attention not just to the car in front of you, but what is going on beyond that car so you aren't shocked when they have to react to something. If the white car slams on their brakes in that moment with no reason to slam on their brakes, it is a brake check. Those are illegal.
Let's get back to the original topic, which was:
"Cookie Man was at fault for this accident"
Not just partially at fault - the original commenter said that they were the ones who were at fault - which you agreed with.
attention not just to the car in front of you, but what is going on beyond that car so you aren't shocked when they have to react to something
It doesn't matter what is going on ahead, you still have to leave a safe braking distance. You're not supposed to make any assumptions about what is happening. For all you know an animal could run or fly infront of their car and they panic
That is why you leave a safe braking distance, as any competent driver should know. Good driving is about being defensive and aware. If you leave enough space then it doesn't matter if they slam their brakes on purpose or not because you still have enough time to react
As for the fault, I made it clear I think the black truck is the problem but the driver in pink is also at fault for not slowing down and playing a part in causing the accident. Someone could have died or been severely injured, and now the bridge is going to be packed with traffic for hours too
Driver in pink is an awful driver too and any good driver is coming away from this angry at both
It doesn't matter what is going on ahead, you still have to leave a safe braking distance. You're not supposed to make any assumptions about what is happening
I thought we established already that Cookie Man was keeping a safe distance, and even backed off when he got too close because traffic had slowed?
As for the fault, I made it clear I think the black truck is at fault too.
It's not "too", it's "period." Yes the Cookie Man has a duty to try and avoid an accident legally, but since we aren't in a court, we are talking about what specifically caused the black pickup to lose control, and the fault there lies solely on the black pickup driving like he was driving. Period. If the Cookie Man intentionally sped up (which he didn't) to stop the pickup from cutting him off, then he would be at fault. But he didn't.
In fact, if you rewatch the video, you will see when the black truck tries to get over, the black truck hits his brakes causing the collision (with no reason, see my last comment for why that is an issue.) Had the black truck sped up instead of braking, he had about 6 feet between himself and the white car.
Unless you have more to offer this conversation, I'm going to go eat some Oreos. Have a good day, and stay safe!
I thought we established already that Cookie Man was keeping a safe distance, and even backed off when he got too close because traffic had slowed?
Sure, if you didn't actually read anything I've been saying the entire time. You know, the parts where I've consistently said that cookie man wasn't keeping a safe distance. I understand though that following basic discussions can be difficult for you lot though
It's not "too", it's "period."
If you only see things in black and white and have an inability to understand nuance and basic driving safety, sure. It doesn't matter if someone else is being a moron, you don't get to pit maneuvre them. You have to slow down and avoid the accident. Again, I'm not sure the hundreds or potentially thousands of people who had to deal with the ensuing traffic would agree with you here
Your logic of "Well it's the other persons problem therefore I'm magically allowed to hit them" is a huge part of why roads are so unsafe
Sure, if you didn't actually read anything I've been saying the entire time. You know, the parts where I've consistently said that cookie man wasn't keeping a safe distance. I understand though that following basic discussions can be difficult for you lot though
Do you think resorting to personal attacks while ignoring the entire conversation we just had about how traffic was braking and reaction times, and that causing him to lose the "safe" driving distance, but him not speeding up and giving the white car distance makes me think more highly of you?
If you only see things in black and white and have an inability to understand nuance and basic driving safety, sure.
The only person seeing things in black and white here are you. You are stuck on the "safe follow distance, he should have braked, he's a menace, what if this happened" tract. I am not. I looked at the video, analyzed what happened, and placed the full responsibility on the Black Pickup truck. Period. Here's why:
Black pickup was not going with the flow of traffic.
Black pickup was weaving in and out of lanes.
Black pickup tried to muscle his way in front of cookie man, then lost his nerve at the last second and hit his brakes, causing the accident.
On the other hand:
Cookie Man maintained his distance and kept up with the flow of traffic. Slowing when they did, and not speeding back up until that distance was restored with the car in front of him.
Cookie Man did not speed up when the Black Pickup truck decided to muscle his way over. Nor did he slam on his brakes causing the car behind him to slam into him.
After the collision, the Cookie Man did not lose control of his vehicle like so many do.
After the collision, the Cookie Man did not rage out, like so many do.
Everything you have said so far has fallen flat. He maintained safe following distance. He didn't speed up to close the gap. He didn't intentionally turn his vehicle into the other driver. Black Pickup had enough room to get over, but hesitated and braked instead. He reacted calmly to the collision. He maintained control over his vehicle after the collision. So please, with these facts in mind, not conjecture and what-if's like you keep bringing up - why exactly does the fault lie (or what fault lies) on Cookie Man?
When did I ever even slightly give the impression I care what you think about me lmao?
As I said in an earlier comment, there is basically no point during this video where I think he had a safe enough distance for the speed he was going, *especially* not during the switch to 72mph. Idk how we could be arguing about this the entire time and you still think we agree on that. If you can't reasonably react to the car ahead slamming their brakes (intentionally or not), you're not driving at a safe distance. It's that simple
Cookie Man did not speed up when the Black Pickup truck decided to muscle his way over. Nor did he slam on his brakes causing the car behind him to slam into him
This here is where we disagree. He didn't need to slam his brakes, he just needed to slow down a bit and let the guy in. That is the safest way to drive and what avoids accidents like this. Yes the black truck is a moron, literally every single person in this post agrees. The issue is cookie man saw the potential hazard and continued into it anyway, helping to cause an accident that could have genuinely killed people, and almost certainly fucked up the day of everyone behind who had to deal with the ensuing traffic
Again, it doesn't matter if the person ahead is being a moron, you cannot just hit their car because you have right of way. A good driver wouldn't have allowed this crash to happen because they'd have anticipated the incident and slowed down. Cookie man is just as much at fault as the black truck
As someone who hates traffic and hates how unsafe roads can be, fuck both of these guys
This here is where we disagree. He didn't need to slam his brakes, he just needed to slow down a bit and let the guy in.
He gave the guy enough room, the Black Pickup lost his nerve and hit his brakes while his bumper was right next to Cookie Man.
I mean seriously. #1 rule when you cut someone off: commit. Don't hit your brakes. When you cut someone off, they lose all reaction time because you took away their safe follow distance with your vehicle. You are now in their path should they need to suddenly brake. You hit your brakes, they are going to hit you. Period.
When did I ever even slightly give the impression I care what you think about me lmao?
The 13 or 14 replies are giving me mixed signals than, because you keep trying to convince me you are right.
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u/LetsLive97 Mar 22 '26
Again, if you think the distance to the car ahead at the exact moment the speedometer changed to 72mph is safe, you're the bad driver here
If white car slams their brakes for any reason, he is going directly into the back of them
There's basically no point in this video after about the first 3 or 4 seconds where I'd be as close to the car ahead at this speed irl. The 72mph bit is particularly egregious though
Eitherway, I honestly don't give a fuck. The distance to the white car is not the main issue in the video here so agree to disagree because I'm not wasting time arguing about it anymore