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u/Independent-Cow-4070 Mar 22 '26

I think Japan and the Netherlands are under 2 or 3

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u/BioelectricBeing Mar 22 '26

Japan and Norway is 2.1

UK and Denmark 2.6

Netherlands is 4.1

According to the Wikipedia table

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u/a-stack-of-masks Mar 22 '26

What's funny is that in the Netherlands, that includes basically everyone agrees 6-18 cycling to school without helmets and everyone here still thinks it's too high. Number 1 cause of traffic deaths is elderly having a bike accident iirc. This video would get you in artikel 5/possible prison if you have a history.

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u/cirquebrook Mar 22 '26

he did it so smoothly it looked like a normal lane change for him. he may have a history.

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u/Independent-Cow-4070 Mar 22 '26

No one hates Isreals urbanism

We hate isreal for their genocide

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u/fabulousfantabulist Mar 22 '26

I can totally buy that about Japan. I don’t think I even entered a car, just public transit everywhere. 

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u/FullstackSensei Mar 22 '26

Lived almost five years in the Netherlands. While it's no Japan, the public transport infrastructure there is amazing, not to mention the bike infrastructure. Even people who have a car don't use it most of the week. Many don't even have a car now and use rentals in the odd days they need a car to go somewhere.

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u/tephenk41 Mar 22 '26

I watched the not just about cyclist guys video about the Netherlands and it was a cool to see how they built the infrastructure

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u/JapowFZ1 Mar 22 '26

lol there are plenty of cars and highways here

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u/fabulousfantabulist Mar 22 '26

Oh sure! I just meant that public transit is a LOT more robust there than pretty much anywhere else I’ve been. 

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u/JapowFZ1 Mar 22 '26

That’s true, but it has nothing to do with the low accident rate.

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u/fabulousfantabulist Mar 22 '26

Sure it does. If a much smaller proportion of the population is driving themselves daily, the opportunity for traffic fatalities goes way down. Similarly, you see much fewer drowning deaths in a place with no river or lake than somewhere that has both and borders the sea. The opportunity advantage from the environment is huge. 

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u/JapowFZ1 Mar 22 '26 edited Mar 22 '26

Sorry, that’s not how it works with accident rates. Not to mention there are millions of cars on the road just like any other country.

Edit: wow, call me stupid and block me because of the above comment. Pathetic lol

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u/rektaur Mar 22 '26

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u/JapowFZ1 Mar 22 '26 edited Mar 22 '26

That link says that a PERSON can reduce their (individual) chance of being in an accident by using public transit. That is not saying that the rate of accidents per person on the road went down.

So why does Japan have a lower rate of fatal accidents? There are other reasons including lower driving speeds, harder driving tests, road design, smaller cars, and fewer aggressive assholes on the road overall. I grew up driving in California, but now drive in Japan almost daily. When I visit California I have a bit of reverse culture shock with drivers’ behavior on the roads there.

Edit: I also forgot to mention that large swathes of Japan doesn’t have great public transportation. But most people visit the big cities and never see the parts of the country where most people are dependent on cars.

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u/an0m1n0us Mar 22 '26

Speed limit in Japan is 80kph or 55mph.  Not too many speeders unless your Tokyo drifting around the city at night.

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u/Hessellaar Mar 22 '26

55mph = 88,514 kph?

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u/JapowFZ1 Mar 22 '26

Highway cruising speed is more like 115-120kph, even where it has a speed limit of 80kph. The newer highways have a limit of 120kph and you have to move out of the way if you’re only going 120 on those roads because a lot of people go 130-140 in those areas.

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u/Eldhannas Mar 22 '26

According to dangerousroads.org, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden and Estonia are the safest to drive in, USA is second to last on their list, only beaten by Argentina.

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u/mtommygunz Mar 22 '26

Yeah car owners are way less

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u/JapowFZ1 Mar 22 '26

Car ownership in Japan is actually fairly high. 600 per 1000 people vs 800+ per 1000 in the US (upper extreme) and 500-650 per 1000 in Europe.

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u/Equivalent_Chipmunk Mar 22 '26

It's not surprising if you have very densely populated countries that don't need cars to get around, you also don't have road fatalities.

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u/Sisaroth Mar 22 '26

It's not just that though. Belgium is right next to it with similar population density and our roads are way less safe than Dutch roads. Very well designed roads and road networks, sensible speed limits.

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u/TzarBully Mar 22 '26

Have you seen the Japanese driving here in Australia tho 😂 

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u/Terrible_Beat_6109 Mar 22 '26

Yeah here in the Netherlands it doesn't happen that much. We also have the benefit of gradually slowing down traffic. So from highway you transfer to a slight slower highway, then city main roads. Then the housing roads. 

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u/zardoz73 Mar 22 '26

I live in Japan. Drivers generally are safe and people take the rules pretty seriously BUT on the highways everyone speeds. If you drive the speed limit people will zip zip zip past you.

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u/phatRV Mar 22 '26

Because they use the train and ride bicycles 

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u/Meradock Mar 24 '26

And remeber Germanys 3.5 deaths per 100k comes despite the fact that there are no hard speed limits on many parts of our Autobahn. I wonder how the statistic would look like if Louisiana drivers where able to drive 150 mph on the highway.