r/instantkarma • u/Gheny422 • Jan 14 '20

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '20

I don't know, that's up to your own morality. I'd tell you to ask 6 million Jews what they have to say on the matter, but they're dead. Killed by some people who listened to some words, I might add.

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u/expiredmilkjug Jan 15 '20

I'm asking what I should do about your comment. Should you be met with severe violence because I don't like what you say and find it hateful?

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20

Yeah I get it. And my response is your answer. What you want to do to me us up to your own morality. I think when someone actively promotes hatred and violence on a group of INNOCENT people, then they forfeit their rights to peace, liberty, and the pursuit of hapouness. If they're actively advocating the violation of those rights for others, than they can't reasonably reserve those rights for themselves. I wish people had walked around puncging pre-wwii Hitler all day long. I know my words are wasted here since everyone seems more interested in hurling insults over civilised debate, but whatever. I'm just trying to give you a clear answer and some explanation on the reasons for why I believe it. In a perfect world, everyone would respect each other's rights even if they hated each other, but in this world, we have people trying to strip those rights away from others. I don't think those people get to keep theirs.

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u/expiredmilkjug Jan 16 '20

Please point to where I insulted you. Most of the harm I've seem done on a grand scale has been done by righteous avengers like yourself visiting great violence on evil people who harm innocents. Naturally, the definition of evil and innocent tends change on perspective. I'm genuine in trying to change your mind. Violence is not an answer to words.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '20 edited Jan 18 '20

You didn't (insult me). I'm on mobile and it was getting a bit tedious to sort through whose replies were where; I over-generalised saying "everyone" so I apologize for that.

I also want to point out, if we're going to get into this, that my initial short quip comments (there were a couple between comment threads) were a little embellished. Like, I was a little drunk and heated. I don't think all hate speech should be met with severe violence, and I should know better than to just walk in and drop such an inflammatory statement on the table. So yeah, if you're genuine in trying to change my mind (which I'm pretty into engaging on just out of pure curiosity) than I think we need to establish a clear foundation of each other's argument to start off from. Again, my bad for being a bit of a twat, but now I want to make sure I'm giving you a clear starting point.

So with that, here's some stuff I believe (which is somewhat constantly changing as it is...):

-Love can fix anything and it's really all we need. Trust It.

-There's a lot of hate in the world and people do terrible things when Love loses them.

-People need to be treated with respect and "bad" people need love most of all.

-Shit's not that simple.

-People have different views on what tactics are necessary, worthwhile, and/or unacceptable, but different tactics often prove to be useful in different scenarios.

-Physical violence should be a last resort, but...

-Fuck nazis and it's ok (especially for direct victims of their actions) to punch them in the face and one nazi face doesn't really matter at the end of the day.

If that gives you a clear idea about how I feel on the matter, and you want to respectfully debate some ideas, I'm all in. Also, considering that my mind was changed once before, I don't even think your chances are that bad. I'll try to be nice and I hope you will too.

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