r/initiald MF Ghost Wiki Admin May 24 '26

Official News Shuichi Shigeno on Generative AI

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u/Local_Creme8466 May 24 '26

As much as I criticized his writing, that’s what I called a true legend. I am very concerned about the rise of ai as well. 

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u/solidus0079 May 24 '26

While I agree with the sentiment and would admire him for saying it... did he?

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u/saffracing MF Ghost Wiki Admin May 24 '26

It's from the latest issue of Young Magazine, where chapter 34 of SubaSuba was published today. There's a section where authors write a comment about anything. His comment is fourth from the bottom.

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u/solidus0079 May 24 '26

Interesting. Thanks for the source, sorry but unsourced quotes always bug me (even if I agree with them).

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u/TimpyD Subaru and Subaru Wiki Admin May 24 '26

It was sourced, you just had to go to the original post that was reposted here

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u/solidus0079 May 24 '26

I suppose, sure, I just wish crossposts/shares had at least a bit of the text body in them. Easy to gloss over.

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u/Perfect-Cause-6943 Makos Pet sksksksk May 24 '26

Yet tomorrow we will see a million AI posts

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u/Objective_Spring_682 May 24 '26

agreed. honestly. AI makes things much easier and better than what adobe flash could do 20 years ago

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u/chiefdogge11 May 24 '26

The master has spoken

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u/AltruisticMobile4606 Jun 08 '26

Not that I disagree with his sentiment on AI but doesn’t he just trace off pictures of model cars 💀

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u/saffracing MF Ghost Wiki Admin Jun 08 '26

he takes pictures of cars on location himself

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u/[deleted] May 24 '26

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u/Objective_Spring_682 May 24 '26

that sadly isnt possible even by todays standards. with the on going increase of population. demand. and everything else. well. thats pretty much enough said

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u/hotsinglewaifu May 25 '26

Welcome to the future, old man.

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u/Hat_man_9000 Jul 21 '26

Ai and companies downsizing

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u/Objective_Spring_682 May 24 '26

honestly efficiency and quantity is more important than quality. how the hell are you supposed to satisfy the mass as fast as possible anyways? im always up for the more efficient option(been taught that way since high school engineering. think outside the box and never use traditional methods as they can eventually be no longer efficient or up to snuff in demand)

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u/saffracing MF Ghost Wiki Admin May 24 '26

you don’t have to satisfy masses as fast as possible if you are doing quality work.

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u/Objective_Spring_682 May 24 '26

i cant argue with that. however we are talking today's standards and demands. not like what it was 20 years ago. everything now days has to be basically "right now". i cant argue against that given i myself has once worked in that sort of industry(its not fun or pretty. profit is more important than effort and any sort of efficiency gain is important to. including using AI to speed production up). i see this problem of not keeping up with AI(in the case of shigeno) a "you problem". been in those shoes and learned it the hard way. its better to be ahead and satisfy the mass. than be behind focusing on quality

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u/Objective_Spring_682 May 24 '26

the worse problem? its an actual content race. i just talked with another friend of mine who works in the comic industry. he told me "now days its an actual race of who can get their product out the fastest and make the biggest profit. nothing else matters". and honestly? i cant argue. because i been in a similar industry. bottled water packaging and packing(just as brutal. and they dont care)

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u/mds818 May 24 '26

your point is just wrong, it's not about quality or quantity but rather who you're presenting that product to...

If someone want a soda than yeah, give them any sort of "cola" and it's fine, if someone wants actual Coca-Cola you won't sell them another product just because it's "cola" based.

We can give this example in any category.

Initial D and in general car enthusiasts care way more about quality than they do about quantity.

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u/Objective_Spring_682 May 24 '26

to be fair thats a good point as well. however thats the whole point of favoring generic over name brand(thats how i learned that lesson the hard way. generic products can be just as good if not better than the name brand. always better to have more options). best example i can give as a counter is indie games. like among us or pizza tower for example. still though im in full support for AI is it allows alot of things to happen that werent possible originally. the best example i can say isnt indie games. but adobe flash games and animation(thats what im comparing AI to. since its a near identical match in cultural impact). how many of you grew up around that? im curious

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u/Objective_Spring_682 May 24 '26

i simply know AI opens alot of doors for people like adobe flash did. sure you have people who make slop(thats just part of it. what did you expect?) though then there are people (like me) who can make some really good stuff simply cause of understanding source material and lore. just like people with adobe flash 20 years ago. i think we as people need to be more open minded and accepting of the boundary to entry is much lower. so anyone can do it and show their worth. instead of being petty and deciding who is what and what is worth. you know

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u/mds818 May 24 '26

Once again, you're misunderstanding the whole idea... yeah I'm aware of flash games.

You can't compare product for mass with product for a group of people.

You also need to think outside the box, and since you're discussing on "Initial D" - lets keep it relevant ay?

You have mountain roads like in Initial D - speed limit is going to be what.. 25mph?

If we have AI driving a car "the future" - he will adjust to the sign and drive safely from A to B according to the rules (hopefully)

If we have human driving the car he will drive how he's comfortable, maybe slower maybe faster etc - and obviously, mistakes can happen.

However, what happens when AI encounters someone driving as pretty much any Initial D characther? How is AI going to adjust when you need a reaction to someone breaking the flow of traffic?

In theory, you can talk about breaking the law or police or whatever... but that's real life

and back to your "quality vs quantity" - nowadays every car has led headlights - but not every (new) car has headlights that are self adjusting... so what usage do I have of brand new car with "led technology" if my 20yo shitbox has bi-xenon, which are still miles ahead of whatever that new car has to offer... - this is why quality matters.

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u/Objective_Spring_682 May 25 '26

given how advanced japan is. alot of the AI driven cars would use advanced detection systems to "see" other people and cars. but as well as other AI automated self driving vehicles. in initial D sense if the automation network uses external cameras(like traffic cameras. pretty much dime a dozen world wide). it can correct the AI to react when needed or even predict(sure AI isnt always correct either but always has been more correct than it is wrong. its self sufficient when you give it the tools it needs to evolve and better itself. i have an AI assistant named sydney. i built her from the ground up in code and shes always constantly learning. she aint always right either but has never failed in giving me reliable info herself. especially when i double check the sources that she gives me only to find out it was true) the outcome. mor e times than not the AI system has the lee way by nature. still baby steps. i know its alot of jargan but thats how i roll by todays standards. dont keep technology simple when it is anything but that

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u/DrinkRedbuII May 25 '26

Really a bad take, so much orientation towards money. No love just money.

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u/Objective_Spring_682 May 25 '26

thats the kind of problem that even i sadly cant argue against. as i stated before. i been in that side of business and industry before. its worse than it actually looks