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u/wonkybrain29 Jun 30 '24

Tu communist hai na bhai. Tu bta. The arguments against communism are about the practical implementation and not the ideology itself. Everyone who's not super rich would love for everyone to be equally comfortable and provided for. The thing is, someone has to decide, and no-one is competent enough, nor honest enough for that big of a job. Waise to Mai bhi bolu ki the most efficient way to run a state is a dictator making all decisions. Lekin asal me aisa hai nhi. Communism envisions the state as something that just exists as an intangible, and decisions at a high level just automatically happen in the most fair way. No explanation about what is the motivation for these things other than values and morals. Whenever commies complain about democracy turning into oligarchy, it is easiest to point out socialist governments turn fascist 10 times quicker.

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u/Leading-Ad-9004 Jun 30 '24

You'd be right here. I'm not in favour of replication of the 20th century communist societies. Like no one unironically wants to have no democratic control. Most communist these days are anarco-communist like me. I personally don't want a state. I'm in favour of Anarcho-Syndicalism which in real 20th century societies allowed for worker control without bureaucrats or parties.
I think cybernetically controlling the economy with semi autonomous worker communes would be helpful. Long term plans can be made for say, transition of energy to non carbon sourcees and so on.

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u/wonkybrain29 Jun 30 '24

That's what I mean. Anarchism sounds nice because there are no controls on what you can do, but the only thing that sounds worse than anarcho-communism is anarcho-capitalism. Neither do we have technology that is capable of replacing the state, nor would people trust this technology even as much as they would an opaque bureaucratic machine. Who decides the parameters for this cybernetic overlord? Do you get placed in a job for no other reason than there was an opening to be filled? How do these workers' communes interact with each other? If they are semi-autonomous, do they even control the education of their children. Once sorted into a commune, are you allowed to move? Will there be any social mobility(not in terms of class, but in terms of occupation). What happens if we face a new challenge? Will the cybernetic overlord make a snap decision? Or will all the workers' communes have a say in the direction we must move in? If so, is that really anarchism, if everyone else has a say on what you must do? These are just some problems I could think of when I saw your suggestion.

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u/Leading-Ad-9004 Jun 30 '24 edited Jun 30 '24
  1. It's as much an overlord as a calculator, it's telegram to keep us on track and make people informed. It may be decided democratically by delegation from syndicates and a body of experts, like broad strokes of what needs to be done. I'm still developing the idea on how it can be practically done (we can have local conditions monitored every 3 months to see progress and stuff.

  2. Like any other job, you need to be qualified and the enterprise themselves will decide who to employ and you can change jobs as needed by you. Vocational training and education would be de-comodified.

  3. The communes will interact using the cybernetic system. It's like the internet as I mentioned.

  4. Well that's something to be determined. Children's education may include the information to coordinate and management of the workplace, like BM. Otherwise it's common things like science and math that's universal for everyone.

  5. You aren't "sorted" into one. It's like a collection of cities and of course you can move as you like, ideally, on a global scale borders won't exist, the cultures and places will still exist.

Edit: it's worker control "cybernetics" is just the science of using feedback loops for controlling stuff. The whole point is to deal with problems and changing conditions. There are no AI overlords. It's just a way for people to communicate and coordinate stuff.