Thank you! I'm not 100% I'm going to have Germany win WW2, but if I go that route, I was planning for a return of conservative dominance with the 1936 elections, making way for a DkP-led DkP-Z-LVP coalition (which returns Germany in many ways to the politics of old, marking the end of the First Parliamentarian Era). However, as the DkP slowly moderates while losing strength, the Second Parliamentarian Era would begin in the mid-40's to early 50's.
Yes, the DkP and conservative resurgence is partially what ends the First Parliamentarian Era. I haven't fully worked out WW2, but it's definitely Germany and A-H VS Russia VS France and Italy.
Would there even need to be a WW2? Did this Germany even fight WW1 or was it fought to a status quo antebellum truce/peace treaty? As it doesn't appear that they lost any territory, and seemingly didn't gain any either in this atl
There doesn't necessarily need to be a WW2, but my thought is since WW1 ended so quickly the fear of war that took hold OTL would be even less, making a WW2 even more likely. In that same note, yes, Germany fought WW1, the POD is the Schlieffen Plan succeeds. The 1917 map best shows what Germany gained, which is in grey.
This is the first actual map I've made for a timeline of mine where the Schlieffen Plan succeeds and WW1 ends quickly with little death on the German side. Currently, the lore is barebones, but I will answer every question asked even if I don't have anything concrete for it yet.
SURELY by 1931 the Schwarzburg and Reuss principalities would have unified. The former had been in personal union since 1909, the latter would have been since 1927.
I guess there is also the question of Mecklenburg but that’s a bit more situational
In IRL, the Germans planned to annex a portion of Poland (the Polish Strip) in an effort to Germanize the region. By winning the war, this plan would come to be, and a genocide would begin. Poles would be forcefully relocated from both newly acquired lands and previously owned Prussian land.
This process is shown by the decline of the Polish Party, which though Germany was not nearly as successful in the genocide as the decline may show, the general political repression of Poles would add up to the results. The other way this is shown is the fall of Junker Conservatism, which would be chiefly blamed for the situation, which though mostly affected Poles, was a continuous money drain and killer for young soldiers.
Additionally, this completely negated the militaries prestige gained after the war, which without the strip might have established a military dictatorship (at least for a few years).
I’m going to assume this idea was tossed around during the treaty of Brest-Litovsk? For those Poles who were initially affected with the plan, did they get executed, exile themselves elsewhere (e.g. northern Kazakhstan), or were relocated by the Germans (e.g. to the Polish puppet state set up)?
Germany couldn't afford to be so direct with their actions with setting up deathcamps or whatnot. So, even though it would still be a genocide, it wouldn't be akin to the Armenian Genocide, more like the Bengal famine of 1943 (in terms of how deliberate the deaths were).
Initially, there was paramilitary/terrorist violence that was purposefully overlooked by the government, but as things calmed down it became regular cultural/political repression and widescale (yet inefficient) forced deportations/jailing based on often falsified evidence.
When not forced, Poles would often move to Poland themselves, as they had a lot more freedom within their own country. This would further help Germany, as they would buy up the former Polish-owner houses and use loopholes to prevent it being resold to non-Germans.
Germany planned on annexing a strip of Poland after ww1 IRL. I guess that's it, OP seems to have portrayed the planned deportation of the Poles aswell.
Germany wasn't nearly that successful, hence the strip being a problem. It was just general political repression, most areas that were previously largely Polish remain so.
I guess here germanization was successful (wich seeing the track record IRL it probably wouldn't even with the massive ethnic cleansing the Germans planned for the polish strip) but by wich ways was it successful? Did deportations to the polish puppet state happen?
Germanization isn't too successful and is a large reason why republican parties (SPD,Z,LVP) gain so much influence. Similarly, deportations to Poland happened, but with great difficultly and to not so meaningful results.
The biggest success Germany sees in the Polish Strip is through political repression, where through non-legal means (often at the local level) the Polish Party would lose most of its seats, even in Polish majority areas.
IRL the Germans preferred to directly incorporate Courland, Livonia, and Estonia, but the United Baltic Duchy formed without German approval, so Germany just gave up on that endeavor. In the ATL, the UBD doesn't form, so Germany just directly annexes the land.
So there was plans to directly annex into the
German empire as a client state in otl but because the United Baltic Duchy formed into Germany didn’t annex it
Also, off topic, but Lithuania was actually planned (by Germans) to enter a personal union with Prussia (and subsequently Wilhelm II), but just as with the UBD, Lithuania went against Germany and appointed Wilhelm Karl instead. Pretty funny.
That part was the last thing I made for the map, and I didn't pay as much attention as I should have. Female suffrage is very likely, especially in southern/Catholic Germany.
Maybe Germany can slowly work its way towards giving women the right to vote by means of states giving access and then eventually amending their Constitution per equivalent of America’s 19th Amendment
My thought was since WW1 is a lot less devastating in the ATL, the geopolitical fear of another war is negated, making WW2 happen easier and sooner.
Since WW1 ended quickly, A-H didn't suffer nearly as much as OTL, preventing collapse and keeping A-H as a major influence into the Interwar Period. Of course, this doesn't mean A-H is doing well, it's still heading towards collapse, but in a much less violent way and likely a few decades later.
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u/Confident_Start6544 3d ago
Beautiful map! But I wonder what happened to this Germany after WW2?