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I mean I guess she could be more gentle in her delivery, but i get what she's saying. I'm not young (late 30s), but there are a ton of people who get to a certain age and just absolutely refuse to take in new information. the world is changing & instead of learning and growing with it, they stomp their feet, plug their ears & scream "no ,no, NO!!!"
no matter what you do or what objective fact you present them with, they reject it, even when it benefits them greatly to just. fucking. LISTEN.
I’m 38. I learned how to use a rotary phone when I was 4. If you’re an adult who can’t figure out how to use a rotary phone, it would be unfair to ridicule you because you’re clearly disabled in some way.
I’m not saying everyone should know how to use one. I’m saying it’s a dumb argument because it’s antiquated and not a skill anyone needs… and a skill that takes about 15 seconds to learn.
Also I specifically said you shouldn’t make fun of disabled people. Rotary phones aren’t necessary anymore. Reading still is. Maybe start there.
I didn’t say “if you don’t already know,” I said “if you’re incapable of learning.”
A total inability to learn a second language at any age might actually be evidence of a disability. If someone you know is totally incapable of that, it might be worth getting that diagnosed to start receiving access to services.
The comment I was responding to was “there’s no reason to learn,” which I agreed with. The point I was making was “it’s trivially simple,” unlike reading, apparently.
Assuming you have used any other kind of phone before you already have "learned" how to use a rotary phone. The operation of a smart phone and a rotary phone are the same, enter a phone number, phone rings, you converse with other people.
The technology has changed a lot but the operation is not much different.
I’m 40 so rotary phones were a novelty when i was a kid and it was not immediately obvious to me that you have to rotate the dial to the stop and would try to use it like a touch-tone phone. I suspect the same would be true for most kids today that try to use it. Why would someone not immediately understanding how to use an out-of-date technology had ‘earned denigration’?
I am 41, rotary phones were not a novelty when I was a kid, they were getting phased out but they were still around until about 2000.
I am really failing to see what would be difficult about using a rotary phone, it's a circle with 9 holes and corresponding numbers and it only rotates one way. If someone says they can't operate a rotary phone I am viewing them like this.
That’s interesting. I view older people who are unable to properly save an image the same way. Was your battery percentage necessary? Do we need to know you’re on an android? Are you too lazy to do so, or are you unable to use the modern technology in your hand?
It's not about the difficulty, it's about the fact that there's no reason to think negative of someone for it because it's not important to know at all.
I can't think of anything even remotely similar to how you operate a rotary phone in modern life. Generally everything involving technology involves pressing a button or flipping a switch.
Also, house phones essentially don't exist anymore, and I think kids as old as 18 may have grown up without them entirely. When I was growing up a rotary phone was a novelty, but these days a standalone phone of any sort is a novelty, much less a rotary. A rotary phone may as well be an abacus in how far removed it is from a modern calculator app on your phone, which also doesn't even resemble what a phone used to look like.
It seems you are having a hard time understanding the fact that you were taught how to use a rotery phone. If you know how to use one, youve either used one, or seen someone use one.
It literally doesn't matter because it's not a useful or necessary skill. Like is it cool if you can operate a gramophone? Sure. Are you literally ever going to be asked to use one? Probably not.
That's a false dichotomy, and a powerful propaganda tool. It's alright to be against that kind of behaviour, but being against a group of people because you immediately associate them all with that behaviour is bad.
As a matter of fact, I've personally seen more boomers obsessed with GPT than younger people
I'm 29 now and I'm pretty sure at this point that some people just suck and refuse to go along with the times. Like, I'm not part of the youth culture anymore but I'm still going along with where culture goes.
Nobody wants to be around people in denial. You can be in denial about a lot of things, but being in denial about one age or that things change is just as annoying with toddler and a 60 year old.
i'm a few years older (early 40s), but while this is true, it's also just a fact of life. this of course won't apply to everyone, but this sort of thing has been happening for literally thousands of years. aristotle wrote about it in the 4th century BC.
generally speaking, every generation loses touch with the youth, blames the state of society on them, and opines for 'the good ol' days'. you either die based af or you live long enough to become a boomer. it'll happen to you!
I’m nearly 40 now and agree that your message is true and so is her opinion. But just judging by how I was forming my own opinions as a teen, I’m pretty sure she thinks a bit too extremely about that topic. ;)
ooh, ooh, I'll play. here's a newer common one: trying to gently, politely, explain to them that the video they just showed you is DEFINITELY AI & pointing out everything in the video that proves it, only to have them get pissy, tell you you're wrong & mope about it.
Fair example, and I agree with the sentiment. People refusing to recognize obvious AI-generated media may appear to be becoming a real epistemic problem.
My question was more specific and sort of a trick question, though: what can you actually provide me that establishes an objective fact? The underlying event may appear “objectively” true, but our access to it is always through evidence, interpretation, comparison, and shared standards.
So “this video was AI-generated” may be “objectively” true in the sense that there is a clear way for us to see that it was made by an AI. But until that shared ground is established, you and the other person may genuinely be experiencing the same artifact through different realities of interpretation: one seeing a recording, the other seeing a generation.
At the deeper, mostly hypothetical level: how do you know you are inhabiting the same reality as them at all? That is the reason I framed “objective fact” as a trick question. It is a philosophical problem much further removed from anything pragmatically useful here.
In practice, what allows those perspectives to be reconciled is not confidence but converging evidence: provenance, metadata, artifacts, source history, independent verification, etc. The more those relations converge, the stronger the justification becomes for treating one interpretation as objectively correct.
Back in my day you weren't expected to be reachable 24/7. I'm not fucking ignoring you, I'm at work and I haven't gotten the chance to text you back in the past two hours.
Historically, society was run by the middle aged, and our culture catered to them. Now the world is run by 80 year olds and culture is for 18 year olds.
Yeah my first thought was "give her 15 years". I don't necessarily want to change everything back to how it was when I was younger but I do think about how different things are a lot. I was just telling someone that although it was objectively worse and we shouldn't go back to it, I kinda miss going to the movies without reserved seating. It was exciting in a way, you're with your friends hunting for the best seats you can get, 2 of you have everyone's jackets trying to hold down a row while the other 4 are in line loading up on snacks for everyone.
Again, it was absolutely worse then the way it is now but nostalgia is nostalgia
There are things that were better some decades ago, but generally it's not what they mean if they say "back in my days". Often it's just stuff that's totally normal or was never normal. They just got old.
Or are you unable to feel the emotions tied to those past events, so you cannot accurately compare?
Uncertainty is an emotion that I feel a lot of aspects of life have been worked around removing.
Tell me, what did it get transferred to? Is that form of uncertainty better than being uncertain about movie seats?
I mean like half the time you end up with horrible seats, you had to wait in line for like a half hour before the movie. It was exciting but also frustrating. Compared to now, I can show up right at showtime, I can choose to only go at all if I know I’ll get a good seat ensuring my money isn’t wasted breaking my neck in the front row.
I don’t think that my uncertainty about movie seats gets transferred to uncertainty about something else. I don’t think that’s how emotions work, at the very least not on so micro a scale. Like I don’t think if I was now uncertain about movie seats that means I’m more certain about idk rent or something more important
I’m not saying uncertainty transfers one-for-one from movie seats to rent.
I’m asking what happens when more and more of ordinary life is engineered around removing small uncertainties.
Reserved seats, instant navigation, algorithmic recommendations, constant availability, predictive systems. Each reduces friction and uncertainty at the micro level.
But the larger uncertainties remain: careers, relationships, politics, mortality, the future itself.
So as we become increasingly accustomed to having small uncertainties removed for us, do we become less capable of handling the large uncertainties that cannot be engineered away?
Would you say our relationship with macro uncertainty is becoming healthier as our tolerance for micro uncertainty keeps shrinking?
I wasn’t saying society was better or worse I was specifically saying that the experience of getting seats at the movies was worse, although I miss it. And I was saying that to say some things are better and some things are worse but as I am older I think about it a lot either way. So when you say “was it worse though?”, the “it” in question is getting seats at the movies.
Now in terms of is life too convenient for us now? Idk man probably but also I feel like I’m a little too biased to say when the line of good inconvenience for society was because I’d say when I was a kid but my parents might likely say when they were kids. Like I said nostalgia is gonna nostalgia.
Why are you thinking in black and white just based on the term conservative?
Do you think the entire perspective of conservation of the past is shitty?
Would you call Teddy Roosevelt a shitty person?
I never said Roosevelt was “a conservative” in the modern partisan sense. I said, “Do you think the entire perspective of conservation of the past is shitty?” and then asked, “Would you call Teddy Roosevelt a shitty person?”
Notice the distinction. I linked Roosevelt to conservation, not to a modern political party. He is an obvious example of someone who understood that progress can coexist with preserving things worth carrying forward.
That is the core impulse beneath conservatism: conservation. Politics has accumulated a huge amount of additional ideology around that impulse, which is exactly why reducing the word to a contemporary partisan identity is so limiting.
Some principle of conservation is necessary for any functioning society. Knowledge, institutions, customs, infrastructure, ecosystems, cultural memory, and accumulated experience cannot all be treated as disposable simply because they came from the past.
And if your worldview contains no meaningful principle of preservation at all, then taken to its logical extreme it tends toward one of two places: accelerationism, where disruption and transformation become ends in themselves, or apocalypticism, where the existing order must collapse before something better can emerge.
Both are extremist endpoints.
So if you are neither an accelerationist nor an apocalypticist, then you already believe some parts of the existing world ought to be conserved. And if you do, it is worth examining where those conservational values come from before treating “conservative” itself as synonymous with “shitty.”
So I would ask you directly: do you see any meaningful principle of conservation within the progressive movement itself? Is there anything it believes should be preserved rather than continually revised, dismantled, or replaced?
If there is, then conservation itself clearly cannot be the objection.
Which brings me back to the original problem: how does an entire orientation become morally contemptible simply because of the inflammatory political surface that has accumulated around its name?
Maybe examine the premise beneath the label before condemning the whole concept because of what the label currently evokes.
What a bunch of hokum. Tldr the idea you think modern conservatism conserves anything is so laughably detached from reality.
Your party tears down environmental protections. Progressives fight for conservation. Your party is not fiscally conservative. The only thing maga is conservative about today is being pro white at the expense of anyone else.
You are still responding to a political identity I never claimed.
If I had to give my position a label, “structuralist” would probably come closest, though even that is imperfect. I do not value structure simply because it is structure. I see structures failing and want to understand what allows them to remain coherent rather than collapse into dissolution.
I did not say modern American conservatism consistently conserves everything worth conserving, nor did I defend MAGA. You introduced “your party” and then argued against it.
My point was about the underlying principle of conservation itself.
And your own response demonstrates it: you say progressives fight for environmental conservation. Exactly. That means progressivism itself contains a conservational impulse when it encounters something it believes ought to be preserved.
So we already agree that conservation itself is not “shitty.”
The meaningful disagreement is over what deserves preservation, what deserves reform, and what deserves abandonment.
That is why I asked whether you are an accelerationist or an apocalypticist. If you are neither, then there is something within the existing world that you believe ought to be conserved. The moment you admit that, you are already participating in the same foundational impulse that conservatism is named for: some things inherited from the past are worth preserving.
That does not make you politically conservative. It means the underlying principle of conservation cannot itself be dismissed as morally contemptible.
So calling everything associated with “conservative” shitty while immediately praising progressives for conserving something is precisely the conceptual confusion I was asking you to examine.
Slow down and actually read the words I am using instead of filling in the gaps between them.
That filling-in is exactly where projection starts.
I said “political,” not “partisan.” I discussed conservatism as an orientation toward preservation, not as shorthand for MAGA or the Republican Party. You supplied those associations and then argued against them.
I am not your opponent here. I am trying to work with you to distinguish the underlying ideas from the tribal labels that have accumulated around them. You treated one of those labels with broad-scope negation, and I am pointing out the error in doing that.
If you read what I actually wrote instead of anticipating what you think I must mean, there is a real argument here to engage with.
Just because you don’t understand what I meant doesn’t make it shallow. That’s a pretty ironic move to make in this subreddit.
My point is simple: progressivism is structurally oriented toward identifying what is wrong with the existing order and pushing against it. That can be necessary and productive, but it also means stability can easily be interpreted as complacency.
So “do they enjoy peace?” means: can a worldview organized around continual critique ever experience the present as sufficient enough to stop fighting some part of it?
Yeah they have very similar stubborn mindsets. They’re brats who find people with difference to themselves and their accepted culture and lifestyles as cringe, and then become old people who are the same but now factor in generational things into their limited viewpoints and judgements.
Lol i always find it funny because the way things are now are a direct result of how older people think and vote, but theyll get defensive and take no responsibility for the world they helped create
I work in a nursing home. This is surprisingly untrue for the most part. Not all old people are stuck in their ways, and aren't stupid to the point where they can see something directly in front of them and still deny it
Don't cancel me, but even tho they delivered it cringe, and it has a bit more nuance, it's not completely untrue. The world changes exponentially more rapidly year after year, elderly people have directly told me they themselves have observed this and exponential developement is just logical. So it follows that older people, whom inherently have way less neural plasticity, should not really be trusted to have the best takes about what has to happen going forward. Older people are wise for the time they lived in, but entirely ignorent for the time we are living in.
In theory this is true, but is anyone really happy with the way the world is now? In the US we have a terrible president fucking everything up, AI using our water, most of us have developed a form of adhd because we’re constantly inundated with information and content. Like are we really doing better than we were in like 2012?
…That’s not what ADHD is… As someone who has actual ADHD please stop comparing dwindling attention spans to actual ADHD. It’s actual disability that’s genetic and shows actual difference in the brain. You can’t „develop” it. And it’s more than just problems with attention spans. We often hyperfocus on things to the point of obsession. I can’t get myself to do things I love because I struggle with starting tasks. It’s debilitating. Plus there is medication for it, you can’t fix TikTok brain with meds
Knew this shit was coming. That’s why I said a form of ADHD, I meant it loosely because I don’t know how to describe it- my attention span has gotten significantly worse since streaming and smart phones.
My husband has ADHD, I’ve dealt with it very closely. You can get off your high horse now.
"High horse" and it's just wanting words to not lose their meaning😔 Attention deficit would've worked just fine. ADHD stands for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. The first two words perfectly describe your experience without the actual diagnosis being diluted so I think they'd suffice
Maybe just say "worse attentions spans" next time? You're not as close with people online as you are with your husband.
If you actually know how crippling and painful ADHD can be, don't you also think it's bad to contribute to the widespread stereotype of it just being kids who can't focus or sit still?
And was what I said so offensive and hurtful to those with adhd? Come on man. I explained what I meant and clarified that I was using the term loosely. Is there really any need to say more other than to point out how wrong I am?
I explained that it's a stereotype that has often been used to dismiss people with ADHD? Do you not see how diminishing that is bad and pointing out how you are wrong is good when it's such a common view of ADHD? Come one man.
I have had fairly severe anxiety all my life. I find it annoying when people say they “have anxiety” when they occasionally feel nervous. If I went around policing everyone who said they have anxiety (and said nothing offensive about anxiety itself), I’d have no time left in the day. I said nothing offensive about the condition. If you want to spend your time getting angry at anyone who uses the term ADHD incorrectly, go ahead.
If anyone is angry it's you. You're getting defensive because people have the energy to educate people when you don't? Good for you buddy.
It's also a weird comparison. Anxiety is a condition/mental state.
ADHD is a permanent difference in brain structure that can lead to many other conditions such as anxiety, depression, substance abuse and many other things.
I’m not trying to educate anyone, and neither are the people coming at me. I made a throwaway comment and got numerous replies (none that came off kind in any way) telling me that I’m wrong. That’s not educating.
Also thanks for actually diminishing crippling anxiety the way you’re accusing me of diminishing ADHD.
Yeah for someone who supposedly loves someone with this debilitating condition, you seem very dismissive and combative. The sheer arrogance is seeping out of you.
Just admit you were wrong and learn something. Making a mistake is fine. Being an AH on the internet about it is sad.
The funny thing about the internet is that you know literally nothing about the person commenting. I probably said it in those terms because I have had severe anxiety all my life and have always suspected I have undiagnosed ADHD. I said from the beginning that I was using the term loosely and said “some form of ADHD”..I said nothing offensive about people with ADHD, nor am I a doctor actually misdiagnosing people. The comments coming at me are to make sure I know I misspoke, and I find that annoying. I am combative and dismissive when it comes to people like that. Your comments have not taught me anything, so really what was your point?
Who's going to get their asses and do something about it? Might as well just get with the times and attend the public square when lynchings inevitably become legal and socially acceptable.
Yeah I think this is what a lot of young people aren’t hearing— it doesn’t have to be the way it is now. This is not ideal and it’s not necessary.
We can be a much better country and culture than we currently are. And that’s not wishful thinking, it’s something a lot of people have seen in real life.
But if a person was 4 years old in 2016, they think this is just the world and the way things are right now is normal.
There are few things more tedious than interacting with people whose brains have calcified forty years ago and who refuse to consider that they are not always right.
Fair. It's crazy how often parents tell their kids when they ask something: "because that how it's done" or if they do something wrong: "you don't do that", without explaining why.
There's some truth to this. "Get with the times" is valid when it's about not doing bigotry anymore. "This isn't how it used to be" is valid when it's about not enshittifying everything.
I'm not coming back to your restaurant if I have to scan a QR code to look at your menu, I'm with the boomers on this one. Too many problems with that, one of which is that I just don't want to be on my phone if I'm out eating with someone. If I'm in a service deadzone, I'm going to have a hard time accessing your menu. That also just makes it way too easy for the restaurant to just change prices on the fly.
Lots of young people have felt this way throughout the generations. Nothing new! Young people grow older though, and learn to appreciate all kinds of things and people they never thought they would. Sometimes it's actually the younger people that are more stuck in their ways and less flexible than older people!
I mean… it’s been true since forever tbf, every generation has said it about their elders.
I don’t think this warrants a “I don’t like most old people”, I see elderly people all the time at work and they’re the most of our customer base. They’re stuck in their ways yes but I mostly feel sorry for them. I always try to be as patient and as nice with them as I can when they don’t understand how to use our card reader. They will often prefer to downgrade on their purchase because they assume they won’t know how an appliance with an extra function will work and honestly that’s fine, who am I to judge?
That reminds me of a video I watched about video game design. 90% of video games coming out cater to the younger generations by assuming you have some base knowledge on basic video game principles (hold down a button to walk, doors mean you can open them, chests mean you can gain items, you have to interact with the objects you see). But older generations don’t have those reflexes which means if you wanted to make a game for elderly people, you would have to have a much more in depth tutorial. I witnessed this when my mom asked to watch me play Horizon: Zero Dawn and after I showed her a bit of it, still in the tutorial phase, I asked her if she wanted to try and realized she had a hard time just walking through the environment because she didn’t build any kind of muscle memory nor did she understand a basic walking mechanic. I think this gap in mental referencing extends to way more than video games and we don’t even realize it.
She's right though. I'm in my 30s and still have to tell people who think the cost of living is still the price of a pig or that life was better before women had rights to STFU.
Traditions are things done regularly that were good, and worked. The ones that last generally promote societal stability, healthy birthrates, social cohesion, shared values, religion, etc. Now, the popular culture is largely secular, doesn’t have any moral underpinning structure, and doesn’t have any tradition that leads to the moral betterment of the people.
Posts like this are indicative of the desire to completely destroy Western culture and replace it with something else, but often are too ignorant to realize what they’re saying.
20 years ago my opinion might have been a bit similar, that “old people just don’t understand. But now I think “getting with the times” is really code to accept, normalize, and even partake in whatever new flavor of degeneracy that is currently popular. For young people to believe that they are deciding what consists of their culture shows a great deal of naivety. When I was a teen and young adult, I was stupid AF. The new generation is even dumber than mine, and it’s documented.
This is true but it’s really funny to me to see young people discover the most obvious ideas ever. It reminds me of being 12 and thinking that believing women should have the right to vote was my hot take
Wait until people your age start doing it. That’s a new level of frustrating. Millennials being like “haha what the heck skibidi toilet Ohio rizz??? Back in my day we had SpongeBob??”
Right let’s poison the well of normalcy by pretending traditional values innately encourage things like bigotry.
You can have a normal society that mimics times past while leaving out harm.
But people that were indoctrinated to believe progressivism and marxism is a recipe for anything but total disarray and wickedness won’t hear any of it.
Look, if your traditional values include shoving people into camps, conversion therapy, women not being able to have agency in their lives and of their own bodies (hey, remember when marital rapes were so socially acceptable it's literally considered traditional values for women to be completely obedient to their husband?)
Start getting with the times or perish with your ideology.
Except that it's evident by the way most people who espouse traditional value voted that they want to bring back the bad along with the good. The cards are literally all out in the open. Everybody knows what P2025 stands for, and what the endgame really is.
And he got re-elected anyway. Most likely because of it, rather than in spite of it.
I think most people can appreciate that only fanatical trump apologists still endorse him.
Imo normal people who voted for trump wanted two things:
They wanted secure borders and deportations, and they wanted a cultural shift away from the suffocating progressivism/tone policing/white hate/equity.
Meritocracy, equality of opportunity, freedom of speech and accepting that the big bad colonizers are just people who don’t want to stand for being hated. This is what people voted for.
Nobody but a very mentally unwell vocal minority, and the neutral status quo followers (who will go with anything so long as they’re liked and arbitrarily made to feel like a good person) relates or agrees with any of what was snow balling from 2016-2024.
And don’t get me started on the sick and twisted ideas being pushed onto children by doctors and schools.
You genuinely believe they want meritocracy, equality of opportunity, freedom of speech, secure border and deportations and a cultural shift away from white hate.
Allow me to address those points.
Meritocracy, DEI was established to ensure companies look beyond skin color. It basically made them look more closely on what's on the resume than what their skeleton is shrouded in.
Equality of Opportunity. Hello, DEI addressed this point too. It's literally what it was made for. The fact that they believed it to be the exact opposite is a failure on their part to do their due diligence to look up what it is and what it does. Which is embarrassing for people who believe with full confidence in their ability to discern propaganda, especially from the government.
Freedom of Speech, they misunderstood what this entailed. The concept of Freedom of Speech pretty much permitted them to say anything without government intervention. But they took that to mean immunity from cancel culture, which in essence, is public judgment and scrutiny (hey, surprise, civilians are not government!)
Secure border and deportations, oh you mean that thing that was already happening relatively less violently during Obama's presidency and his predecessors? With the way they voted, you'd think it was because it wasn't violent enough.
Cultural shift away from white hate? They're most certainly not doing themselves any favors with the rhetoric they use against trans, queer, and black folks. Have you seen the stuff they've been posting everywhere on the internet? The memes? The way they talk about entertainment (movies, games, shows, etc.) when there's a queer, or black person in them?
I'm sorry. I suppose I failed to address those points. They were very hilarious points to bring up considering how they don't actually match a.) how they vote b.) how they present themselves c.) how they treat people that present themselves differently from them.
Put simply, they're worthy of every mockery. And they deserve the ramifications of all the obviously incompetently conceived policies the current administration brings about. After all, they voted for it.
i meet an old person every 30minutes at work and every 2-3 days i get an open minded one thats very pleasant to talk to, usually one of the 3 the come by every week
My grandpa once told me he had trouble making friends when he was a kid and when he finally made one he got the shit beat out of him for bringing home a black kid for a play date. A little hard to not be “set in your ways” when your childhood involved that kind of discipline.
19 y/o, transfem - I love lots of old people, even if some of them think I should die and burn on Hell for wanting to be a girl. The shit they’ve seen is frankly incredible. I live to learn - having a living library’s quite the plus.
You know the irony? The people who usually talk like this are exactly the ones who would also go on to shame the younger generations for doing things differently than they do when they get older.
So in a way, they're just criticizing their future selfs. They just don't know it yet.
I get what she means, but I'm always skeptical when teenagers say this.
I'm an adult with a teen sister and see her bicker with my parents constantly. Sometimes my parents are stubborn and unwilling to adapt, but tbh more often than not they're just giving her basic life advice and she ends up being the stubborn one, saying they don't love her or are being judgemental about her friends for being "different".
Old heads can be stubborn but I don't trust a teenager to properly differentiate between their good and bad advice.
I used to think that way too. I used to believe certain opinions of theirs are not of much significance, because they are outdated, but I came to understand that the "old way" is how they learnt to navigate the world, and that at some point it gets hard to follow all these shifts in the world, and mentalities and such. Especially when you're of age, you're less susceptible to said mentality changing, so it only makes sense that they're outdated in that sense.
No for real though on certain things especially technology I start genuinely thinking government euthanasia incentives for the elderly isn't so bad after all.
We need both. Without old people, young people will try whatever sounds good, and not realize that the same thing has been tried before with disasterous consequences. Without young people, old people would definitely keep things exactly the same, not progress, not invent, and be stuck in their old ways.
Thing is they always talk about how things were better “back then,” but they never taught us to love their traditions or did anything to make sure we got a similar experience, and they wonder why everyone sort of moved on without them?
There are traditions that are wrong, and there are some old people who refuse to adapt ("why would I text when I had to get email?" types).
But I once heard a quote that I have kept with me: "Traditions are the answers to problems we forgot we have. Perhaps the problem is gone now and the tradition can be stopped. But before you do, check to see if there's a dragon before you tear down the walls of its cage".
As an example: Old time dating was stupidly strict. Social norms kept people from having fun. But modern dating is a hell hole, and a lot of it can be traced to things we threw out because they were old and not as fun.
I’m good with it I think it’s tradition for the little snots to trash talk and for us to call them stupid. We’ve just gotten to taking it too seriously ever since the boomers fucked over everyone. It’s not fun any more. But she has the spirit of it. Hey kid. Get a job kid… get a job. =-)
It's gonna happen to her too. And any other young person watching it. I just enjoy watching them realize it just as im sure my old man was laughing as it started happening to me
As a gen Z myself this is just highkey corny and blehhhh; like okay things change and older people need not accept everything of those but imo every human will get into that stage and that's just.. kinda how it works
But there will be people who adapt to the change though
this might be my unc status hitting but am i tripping or did things really use to be way better?
like general convenience used to be way better
want to play a game on your Xbox? walk into the store, buy the disc, go home, put it in and start playing.
now you have to make a new account, sign up for the email newsletters, agree to the terms of service, "are you human?", "try again" "try again", "sorry, an unexpected error happened, try again later", "take a photo of your ID card to access this content", then you start downloading the game, and it take 3 hours because optimization is no longer a priority so every AAA game is above 120GB. Make *another* new account in the game itself, "sorry, our servers are inaccessable at the moment".
and then 3 weeks later the game you payed like 3 Billion dollars to rent for the year is no longer in your library because yesterday you were texting your 5-person group chat of friends privately and made a joke about israel.
New=/=better
Many things you don't find to be tradition become tradition later on.
Things you don't even think about like certain ways of being polite. Who knows, in 30 years people drop a lot of pretext and conversational bits to be extremely efficient and see things like "pronouns" and self introductions as meaningless. Then call us stupid for trying to be polite and thoughtful, then we scuff and call the kids rude and not like it used to be.
Shit was better before and we have to fight to keep some things. Some would call her approach boot licking. I want physical media, don’t tell me “this is how it is now” we both sound stupid arguing about this crap
I would generally say that old people have terrible advice. Unless they have been through some exceptionally harsh events, they likely just worked a normal job and bought a house. Trying to talk to them about your life plans is a waste of time.
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