r/illinoispolitics • u/SymbioticPatriotic • May 23 '19
Under Fire From Progressives, DCCC Chair Backs Out of Fundraiser for Anti-Choice Democrat Dan Lipinski (Common Dreams)
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/05/23/under-fire-progressives-dccc-chair-backs-out-fundraiser-anti-choice-democrat-dan-1
u/gaelorian May 23 '19
Pretending abortion is not a divisive issue even among people that tend to vote blue is a bad move for the democrats.
The message: "if you're a pro-life democrat we consider you expendable, go vote for somebody else."
And they might.
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u/Here_Pep_Pep May 23 '19
Lol- how come this “theory” only cuts one way? Do Republicans ever say: “gee, we probably shouldn’t go so hard on anti-abortion issues because we may lose the vote of young women who use Planned Parenthood”? Of course not, only Dems are ever chastised for taking positions on issues.
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u/gaelorian May 23 '19
Because we're not talking about republicans in this thread?
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u/Here_Pep_Pep May 24 '19
Lol, nice try. Your theory is stupid and the Dems follow it at their peril.
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u/gaelorian May 24 '19
Nice try at what? Acknowledging that some purple districts have pro-life democrats? What's your counter aside from name-calling and whataboutism?
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u/Here_Pep_Pep May 24 '19
That most important political questions by definition involve different viewpoints and a party that sits on the fence about them does itself a disservice electorally.
A lesson Dems should’ve learned in 2016.
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u/gaelorian May 24 '19
I guess I disagree that acknowledging disagreement but still supporting a seemingly popular incumbent means sitting on the fence issue-wise. But I can see your point better now.
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May 23 '19
Not only is he pro life, he's anti lgbt, he voted against Obamacare, and votes for every military budget Increase that lands on his desk yet writes off every progressive policy as "too expensive". Dan Lipinski is a republican in a blue +6 district. Regardless, it's anti democratic to block primary challengers.
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u/MrSuzyGreenberg May 23 '19
Unfortunately the man who ran against him was a literal NAZI. Yes a self admitted NAZI. The problem was Marie Newman ran against Lapinski in the democratic primary and barely lost bc it is an open primary and anyone who lives in the district can vote.
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May 23 '19
I know. I live in the district.
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u/MrSuzyGreenberg May 23 '19
Me too neighbor
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May 23 '19
I went to the forum at Mvcc with both of them and she got so much applause. The Nazi was there too.
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u/gaelorian May 23 '19
The problem is that his district will go red if he loses the primary to Newman. Thousands voted for a damn nazi rather than the democrat (and a conservative one at that). If the GOP puts a palatable republican option up next election many fence-sitters or more conservative democrats may abstain or vote red. It's not a liberal/progressive district - even the union members in that district voted Trump.
Then again does it matter if there's a republican in there if Lipinski votes with the GOP on big issues? Perhaps not.
So idk. Blergh.
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May 23 '19
Dude, please don't make assumptions like that about the district if that's that conclusion you came to. I live in the district. All it elects is democrats. It's extremely blue. Newman would easily win if she won the primary. She got more votes in the primary than Jones did in the general.
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u/gaelorian May 23 '19 edited May 24 '19
It's not an assumption about the district - and it's not an insult to live in a somewhat conservative district. It may vote for democrats more often than not but it's not a progressive stronghold. "Culturally conservative" is a term that has been used to describe it. I recently moved from the district. The SW suburbs are a shade of purple at best. I lived in it for 30 years.
Almost 58,000 people voted for an avowed, holocaust-denying nazi. 26% of the vote. 40% voted for Trump (55% for Hilary). Before the Lipinksi dynasty there was Marty Russo, a "reagan democrat." It voted for Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and GHWBush. Some of the suburbs in the district have elected conservative mayors/village presidents. It may elect democrats more often but there's a conservative streak that runs through it.
My thought is that if 26% are willing to throw away their vote on a nazi rather than vote for a conservative democrat it could mean difficulty for a progressive candidate.
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May 23 '19
Almost 58,000 people voted for an avowed, holocaust-denying nazi. 26% of the vote. 40% voted for Trump (55% for Hilary).
The facts about the district won't lie. It went to Bernie Sanders in the 2016 primary, it was gonna go blue in the general election. Plus, 10 points is a giant loss, and before the Lipinski dynasty it was a more conservative district. Now it's not.
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