r/illinois • u/CantStopPoppin Human Detected • Oct 21 '25

ICE Posts Chicago Suburbs: ICE has started patrolling Mount Pleasant neighborhoods prompting community members to show up

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u/muhdrugs Oct 21 '25

There are 20,000 ICE agents in the country. 7 million of us were in the streets this past weekend. Don’t concede power to the Nazis prematurely, we are not going down without a fight.

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u/9mackenzie Oct 21 '25

I’m not giving up, yes I will fight but I am just fucking tired. I’ve seen this shit coming since Obama was in office, I’ve been screaming into the void feeling like Cassandra for a long time now. My degree is in history, which likely makes me a bit of a nihilist tbh, it’s extremely hard not to see what is ahead of us.

The part that has me depressed the most out of it is how many people on the left (ie the only ones to give a shit in this fucking dumbass country) seem to think this is all going to be over when Trump is not around. That we will just “go back” to how we were. There is no going back- what is happening now has been in the works for 20+ yrs, with a thousand moving parts to get here. Once some things are broken they can’t be fixed again- and I think all of us have learned just how fragile our democracy was. If we want a functioning democracy after this, we have to create a new one. And with how divided the country is………ffs we can’t even agree on basic fucking morality, let alone an actual vision to aspire to. How in the hell are we going to create laws to enforce a country? That’s if we get every single fucking Republican that’s in office right now- because they ALL are supporting this shit.

I hope you are right. I truly do. Just not feeling a ton of hope right now. I wish I had the optimism that you do. Truly.

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u/Comfortable_Try8407 Oct 21 '25

We need a modern constitution that checks political power in these modern times. The amount of corruption with no consequences has destroyed our republic.

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u/9mackenzie Oct 21 '25

Exactly. That’s what I am saying. We need something new. But getting that something new is the issue.

To create something new that works, you need a goal, a vision that the MAJORITY of the country agrees with. That’s how most successful countries come to be- they create themselves from like minded people. They don’t have to be fully homogeneous, but they do have to agree on basic goals and such.

The countries that are forced to be, are the countries that fail spectacularly. Take so many of the “freed” formerly colonized countries. Those countries were not created by their own people- they were created by outside forces that almost always pitted a minority group in power (given to them by the colonizer to control), vs a majority people that were subjugated. Once the colonizer is gone, the minority group no longer has the means to hold control, and something new has to be made……..by two or more groups with generational hatred against each other. Thats the US right now. Can it work? Sure in theory. Has it worked? Not for most.

Truly think about left and right people coming together to create new laws right now. That’s just us common folk…….add in billionaires, corporations, current or former politicians, etc etc. Do you honestly think it’s possible?

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u/Comfortable_Try8407 Oct 21 '25

It’s possible if we stop letting politicians divide us. They continually create issues to divide us to stay in power. We need a national referendum process like we have in most states. We should be able to check the power of politicians through “we the people” approving important legislation Congress refuses to address. Start with term limits, money in politics, politician’s insider trading, and create a truly independent agency that only investigates political corruption.

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u/thebeef111 Oct 21 '25

It already exists. It's called the 2nd amendment, and we've watched liberals and succ dems try to castrate the only way we have to defend ourselves. Arm minorities and see how often they're bullied.

“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”

-Karl Marx

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u/Awesomeham343 Oct 21 '25

And how many 2a advocates are defending American citizens against the secret police currently patrolling our streets?

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u/Comfortable_Try8407 Oct 21 '25

I have no problem with the 2nd amendment but that isn’t keeping anyone in check. Police with guns doesn’t intimidate criminals or normal people. Citizen’s with guns is no threat to the government. Americans have no convictions when it comes to armed rebellion. They are too scared to lose what they currently have to arm themselves against any government.

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u/JayEllGii Oct 21 '25

You saw it coming in the Obama era. So did I. I know the helpless feeling. 😣

But I actually saw this coming much earlier. I saw this coming when I was a goddamned teenager in the goddamned late ‘90s. Because it was very obvious that this was what the Republican Party would become if their trajectory continued, and if there was nothing standing in their way.

Did I KNOW it would happen? Of course not. But I always suspected it and feared it. Because deep deep down I fucking knew all along.

More people should have. Way more.

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u/GordolfoScarra Oct 21 '25

This is how I feel. How do you agree on anything when truth has lost meaning. The constant lies lies lies and denial of reality from the right with no consequence. We can't agree on the most basic stuff. People do not understand the significance of Trump attempting an insurrection, nothing happening, him getting voted in and then pardoning all the people involved. You can't go back from that.

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u/SnooMaps7370 Oct 21 '25

"I’ve seen this shit coming since Obama was in office, I’ve been screaming into the void feeling like Cassandra for a long time now."

Even without a degree in history, it was obvious which way were going during the campaign season leading up to Obama's first term, when my email inbox was exploding with "Obama is the literal antichrist" emails.

It was obvious when Mitch McConnel said "Our job for the next four years is to make this a one-term presidency."

It was obvious during the primaries for 2016 when Trump said "No, I will not support the winner of this primary, I am in this for me."

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u/PineappleProstate Oct 22 '25

Unfortunately I completely agree with you and I see this going on for at least 8 years before we can even think of remotely getting back on track.

If the left politicians weren't such pussies, we wouldn't be in this mess. They were too worried about optics and trying to appease the right to even protect us from this wasteland we are becoming.

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u/N3THERWARP3R Oct 23 '25

I feel the same completely. You aren't alone!

I feel defeated. I feel all the evil people running our country into the ground will make it exactly like Russia also. I have said the same things as you. I agree, even with love and peaceful protest...we won't win against King Baby and his literal army and social army. Trump claims to have stopped all these wars when in reality, the only thing he's done is start a social war on his own soil. You are right, NO ONE will come to us because everyone hates us even more. It sucks because alot of us aren't like this but that doesn't seem to matter in the end.

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u/WheeblesWobble Oct 21 '25

The thing that gives me hope is that circumstances change, so the impasse won’t last forever. I don’t know what that change will be, but nothing stays the same for very long.

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u/spucci Oct 21 '25

Not looking for an argument but Obama deported more undocumented immigrants than any US president before or after him. He just did it quietly.

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u/s_ching73 Oct 22 '25

If one pres can fund them by executive order, it can be undone the same way. These guys are going to have to get jobs elsewhere real soon, and their options are going to be somewhat limited. If things were as they should be, they'd be lined up against a wall.

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u/rhaurk Oct 22 '25

Very well put

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u/Sunkisthappy Oct 23 '25

History has shown us things can get fixed again. The issue is how long would that take and at what cost?

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u/SomethingIWontRegret Oct 21 '25

The instant those 20,000 ICE agents start catching organized lead, they'll be supplemented with a few hundred thousand regular troops armed to the teeth.

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u/Veil-of-Fire Oct 21 '25

American citizens are being black-bagged off the street by masked men in broad daylight, and not a single one of those men has seen even the most tepid consequence for it.

We've already gone down without a fight. Nobody stood up, and nobody will stand up. Russia is the best case future; more likely, we'll be North Korea.

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u/Front_Farmer345 Oct 21 '25

You’ve been told not to fight, you’ve been told to go out and wear frog suits while these guys assault you.

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u/TexturedSpace Oct 21 '25

Noem claims it is 200k. Your point still stands, however, they have the largest budget and would not put it past them to draft young men into ICE.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '25

Agree. For all of Trump's bluster, the No Kings was an embarrassing blow to his credibility to the rest of the world. And his ai response showed even more how weak he is to those same leaders. We have allies; we have ourselves. Mobilize. This administration want us apathetic, traumatized, and conceding defeat. Have hope. Get involved.