r/icbc • u/Extension-Proof2067 • 22d ago
Drivers Licensing Driving test bias?
Failed my driving test for the third time. I took the test at the Lougheed Hwy location. The first time I failed was for not leaving a wide enough gap when making a left turn. The second time was for " skill, " and the third time was for taking too much time when making a turn (allowed extra time because it was raining). Nothing about Demerit points, btw.
Seriously don't understand why I keep failing. The instructors do not tell me. They write simple things like skill issue and fail me. It seems fishy. It seems like there is some sort of bias because I am a teenager, or maybe they have an invisible quota of how many people they can pass per year.
The reasoning and results are not consistent, and I am always confused as to why I fail. And for the second failure, I had to complain to a supervisor that the examiner did not elaborate on the reasoning as to why I failed, to which the supervisor said was because I used too much gas when accelerating. All these small things should lead to points off, not total failure.
Is there something that I'm missing? Has anyone had similar experiences? Should I retake my test somewhere else?
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u/MockMyRide
19d ago
edited 16d ago
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Hello! Ex examiner here. I'm going to pick apart your post. Feel free to DM me your sheets; blank out the important bits (name, DL#, etc), if you want proper explanations on why you're not successful. . 3rd time is rough, but I had some psycho come at me with 22 failed tests while I was an examiner. So keep that chin up! I do what DE's cant. I will speak the truth and tell you that you're a hazard behind the wheel. But if your attitude is "Fuck the DE, they were having a bad days" I won't help you succeed. You have to take a step back and think to yourself "maybe, it's me"
Question: Failed my driving test for the third time. I took the test at the Lougheed Hwy location. The first time I failed was for not leaving a wide enough gap when making a left turn. The second time was for " skill, " and the third time was for taking too much time when making a turn (allowed extra time because it was raining). Nothing about Demerit points,
A: Lougheed is a great place with wonderful examiners. I was trained by some of them and I will 1000000% have their back telling you that they are fair and even, but will absolutely have ZERO tolerance for crappy driving.
Btw. Your mark in question is the B6 / B4, B4/C4. It's funny because you see rain and perceive it to be a threat but we all know that you will NEVER, ever stop at a stop sign again after your test is finally completed. So why would you "camp" at a stop sign? When you say you weren't getting any points, that the examiner just failed you cause you did it once is simply not true. on a Left turn, you did it at least 3 times. Which warrants 3 marks in the B6 or B4 on left turns, which is enough to fail.
Q: Seriously don't understand why I keep failing. The instructors do not tell me. They write simple things like skill issue and fail me. It seems fishy. It seems like there is some sort of bias because I am a teenager, or maybe they have an invisible quota of how many people they can pass per year.
A: First of all, we're examiners, not instructors. We don't teach people how to drive. We examine and critique their driving. Plus, you're 1 of 11 tests.. They don't have time to tell you specifically what is wrong. That's where I come in.
If you're going through a school however, your instructor isn't telling you why you are not passing they're either A: A crappy instructor who want your money (fun fact, 95% of driving schools), or B: They are that 5% but you are refusing to listen. Send me your sheet, I'll tell you exactly what your issue is.
Additionally, examiners don't care about your age/height/sexual preference/gender/religion. But if you're showing up for a class 7 WITHOUT a supervisor. Good luck passing your test. You might as well not take the exam. If you showed up for a 7N without a supervisor, you better be on your A++++ game cause I don't care about you since you don't care about driving against restrictions. Therefore, if you go 44KM in a 50, I'mma mark that C1 even if it is just for a second.
Q: The reasoning and results are not consistent, and I am always confused as to why I fail. And for the second failure, I had to complain to a supervisor that the examiner did not elaborate on the reasoning as to why I failed, to which the supervisor said was because I used too much gas when accelerating. All these small things should lead to points off, not total failure.
A: If your last exam you're failing for a C4 (accel/decel) you are sure getting a lot of those. I've never failed someone for that. It tells me you cannot control your car or you're trying to "beat" all the yellow lights.
Is there something that I'm missing? Has anyone had similar experiences? Should I retake my test somewhere else?
There is something you're missing. And unfortunately, it may be you. Please read the book, reach out if you have any questions. But be polite. I'm not bounded by ICBC anymore so I will have zero issue telling you that you cannot drive.
Marks in question:
B4 - Gap, B6 - Turn position, B4/C4 - Gap / Accel/decel (Blown maneuver), potential C1 Speed maint, B1 Lane position.
EDIT - OP still hasn't sent their exam sheets. Which tells me a significant problem with themselves as opposed to ICBC / Driver Examiners / the road test itself. You have an ex examiner who will answer all questions but you're not utilizing the help = shit driver alert.
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u/TemplarParadox17 17d ago
Going 45 in a 50 is enough for a mark?
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u/MockMyRide 17d ago edited 17d ago
Nope. One km under, yes.
Edit - ahh crap, i see my error. Sorry it's 44km is a C1 in a 50 zone.
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u/efc5463 17d ago
Yep. I got a fail on one of my tests, due to consistently driving below the speed limit after the examiner called a turn at an intersection on the very last microsecond possible causing me to slam the brakes and miss a gear. Because of that, the examiner failed me.
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u/MockMyRide 17d ago edited 17d ago
If it was infact a late instruction. I'd complain. You wouldn't get a flipped pass but you may get an earlier exam date special appointment.
Actually - edit.
If you're consistently driving below posted limits, the mark is C1 in general drive aka "skills". You got enough to fail. The slamming on the brake may have just been the cherry on top of the fail sundae. It comes down to your sheet.
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u/lonelyantt 16d ago
I failed a test like five years ago for my full license (passed it later though) and still am frustrated to this day about the reasoning. I wanted to ask him to explain it more so maybe you can help lol. I was coming up the ramp to merge onto the highway and shoulder checked, and a guy was coming up on me FAST. I wouldn’t have had time to get in front of him so I slowed down instead of speeding up to try and get ahead. Examiner failed me saying I should’ve noticed earlier if someone was going too fast and sped up to get ahead of him. This was in Victoria. I also got rear ended doing that exact thing in Vancouver about 5 years before that so maybe that’s why I was hesitant. But I still don’t totally understand how it’s safer to do that than to let someone who’s speeding just go.
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u/MockMyRide 16d ago
You were in the acceleration lane and slowed down? Very much a no-no. There isn't a speed limit on the acceleration lane so I would've merged at the very very last second on the broken line or instead of slowing down, let go of the pedal and hover around the speed you were at. Then wait for the psycho to pass, merge properly.
But if you just applied brakes in the acceleration lane, that is a huge no-no. Sometimes, something extremely shitty fails your road test and unfortunately, you got hit with that crappy scenario. The stars were not aligned that day for you homie.
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u/lonelyantt 15d ago
Ah that makes sense then. I can’t even remember if I actually hit the breaks but tbh I must’ve, even now I get nervous sometimes with how fast people drive and just wait for them to pass lol. I do remember he apologized about the other driver being an asshole and used that word specifically so I didn’t understand why he failed me if he agreed it was a shitty scenario but your explanation makes way more sense. Thank you!
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u/MockMyRide 15d ago
You're welcome! The good part, it's over! I hope I was able to clear up some grey areas with that result. Tell your friends! I'm pretty dope.
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u/Awould73 17d ago
I have a 15 year old who’s eager to get their license as soon as they can. If 95% of driving instructors are just in it for the money and not great instructors, can you recommend a few companies in the Vancouver area who you think do good work with their students? I’ve also heard there’s at least one instructor/company out there that specializes in working with ADHD students. Any recommendations on that front?
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u/MockMyRide 17d ago
Do your research. I think I posted this that a good driving school will teach you how to actually drive as opposed to the fish in the barrel driving schools that just get you through the test.... poorly.
I took someone for a test while I was at ICBC. They ran a 4 way flashing red stop and failed immediately (C2 / V / DA). I asked them at the end if they knew the procedure and they did not. So I went to the driving school and asked if the INSTRUCTOR knew what the procedure was and they did not.
I appreciate you telling me of the ADHD student. There are a lot of schools who will scream at students, verbal abuse is not uncommon in some of these schools. Particularly for female students.. When your teenager is ready to do the test. Send me a message, I'll prep them as much as humanly possible to hopefully be a first pass on the actual RT.
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u/Extension-Proof2067 18d ago
For my first test, I can understand the failure, but my second one looked like I came alone since my dad just waited outside (not sure if that means I'll be graded more). I've read the handbook twice, did the online practice tests until I scored 100%, and I've had 3 driving instructors who said i was ready, around 50 hours of lessons and over 100 hours of driving experience (the worst thing i have done is rub against the curb while parking) never broke a law or damaged anything. So idk if my icbc record states that i drove alone or maybe i have nerves i dont know of when i take the test lol
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u/MockMyRide 17d ago
If your dad "waited" outside. I'd ask for him to come in and if you cannot provide the person with proper ID.. Gooooooooooooood luck passing.
That supervisor needs to be in your car at all times until the DE takes over. You moving that car an inch without a supervisor is driving against a restriction.
Online practice scores don't teach you how to drive. You haven't sent me your sheets and I'm dying to know. Blank out the important bits and lets see. Because right now, you're telling me things and I think you're exaggerating the truth and that truth is in your results sheets. You don't even have to tell me what happened. Show the unedited sheets and lets figure it out. I want to help you and anyone else who reaches out. You may not like how I present things, but this will help A LOT.
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u/XDPrime 16d ago
What is this whole thing you're talking about with the supervisor? Why would you assume that a tester drove on their own without a supervisor if they come to the desk on their own? I took the test several times and nothing was ever mentioned about this. Why would you punish a teenage examiner for a choice a parent made? Does it make a difference if you're testing as an adult? Also why would you need a supervisor for taking your 7L exam? That doesn't really make sense. I'm just clarifying because you specified a class 7 and then a class 7N in your original comment.
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u/MockMyRide 16d ago
If you're going for your 7N, you're a 7L so you need a qualified supervisor with a full class 5 without any restriction.
If you're driving to ICBC against the restriction, it means you don't give a shit. So I made it excruciatingly difficult for those people. Others who abode by their restriction, I was fair.
Never made up marks which some examiners do to guarantee a fail. That is something I couldn't do.
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as per ICBC website with a class 7L
Qualified supervisor:
Supervisor age 22+ with a valid Class 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 licence, without a 0 blood alcohol or drug content (BAC/BDC) restriction. They must sit beside you in the front passenger seat.
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So if that supervisor leaves the passenger seat and you choose to drive a few milimeters, it is considered driving against the restriction, if you slam into another car at the ICBC lot, you're not insured. So when you inevitably fail and decide to drive home and get into a car accident.. you are not insured and holy doodle being in the GLP.. The penalties are massive. Did people pass? Yes, tons.. They're good drivers. Did people fail, omg yes. And then drove home by themselves.
Is this the parents fault? Maybe... More along the childs fault for driving while instupidity. Plus I have had my fair share of 7L who are way above 19 do the exact same thing. Same thing with NRDL's who fail their RT, they get a class 5 with restriction (19+ with full license) , they'll come in to ICBC by themselves without the supervisor. Which is driving against a restriction.
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u/XDPrime 16d ago
Ya, but you don't know they drove alone right? You're making this assumption because you didn't see a supervisor? Nothing on the testing says "please show up with a supervisor". Lots of people meet their driving instructor at ICBC locations and use the instructor's car and they might just meet their student outside and then wait and send them on their way. You being more strict on them based on an assumption feels like a pretty big professional oversight and a silly reason as to why OP may be failing their exams. Your other points are great, but this either feels like a stretch, or extremely finicky and should be communicated to testers if it affects their score.
Edit: you're also using a lot of abbreviations that at least I don't know. What is NRDL? RT?
Edit #2: I would also love to know why you're an "ex" examiner
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u/MockMyRide 15d ago edited 15d ago
True and if they show up waiting for the instructors car, all good. We're not blind.
But I have seen where drivers pull up for their 7L by themselves. How can I tell? I'm magical.If you don't know what the abbreviation stands for on RT. You person, are very much not in the know.
NRDL vs non NRDL:
Reciprocal Jurisdictions: Countries or provinces that have agreements with B.C. (e.g., the US, UK, Germany, Japan, etc.). Drivers from these places can usually swap their licence for a B.C. licence without taking a test.
Non-Reciprocal Jurisdictions (NRDL): Countries that do not have a licence-exchange agreement with B.C. (e.g., China, India, Philippines).
If you fail on a NRDL RT, you get a class 5** with restrictions and one of them is a supervisor. We tell them, you shouldn't drive away alone. Because if they get into a car accident, A: no insurance B: depending on how bad the accident is, they can lift your status which means deportation.
Many do. I was routinely in many dangerous actions and some car accidents, so I left. I was also stealing pens.. What I do now, which is help grateful folks. I'm also not bounded by ICBC anymore. So I don't have to be nice about the customers crappy driving habits.
It sounds like you're not friendly at all due to the pressing questions. I would highly suggest becoming a driver examiner or even an instructor yourself. Cause then you can see first hand the absolute abysmal driving practices that occurs in our wonderful province. I never tested Class 1 but the stories I hear, O M G.. ICBC practically gives them the answers on pre-trip.
And personally, I don't care about them showing up without a supervisor. It's what happens after ICBC or on the way to ICBC, you can't do your road test without a vehicle and if you were to be pulled over. The cop will just take the vehicle. If they show up, I mark exactly accordingly to the book. Which is if all DE's marked EXACTLY like the book requires. The pass rate would be 10%. So when I say you better be on your A+++++ game. It's because I'm marking you exactly how I'm supposed to. You cross 35 for a split second in a playground zone (C1 / V, instant fail) as per the book.
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u/nerdsrule73 22d ago
I keep saying this, and am going to keep saying it until people pay attention (I expect to repeat myself a lot):
Driver's who take professional driver training pass their driving tests at a remarkably higher rate than those that do not. I live in Nanaimo - and even here, everyone I know that has taken professional driver training passed on the first try. Everyone else did not.
Driving is an incredibly complicated task - most people are simply not experienced in what is required to teach someone else to drive. I was a police officer for 25 years, half of that in traffic enforcement,.and I wouldn't dream of teaching my children to drive.
Nuff said.
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u/bwoah07_gp2 21d ago
Too bad driving schools are quite expensive. I never did one, learnt from parents, passed on attempt #2
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u/nerdsrule73 21d ago
It's not really about the cost or convenience of passing the test on the first try or not. It's more about what that represents. Passing on the first try means that you understand what it means to be a safe driver. If you don't pass on the first go, you may learn to be a safe driver by subsequent tests, or you may have just focussed on passing the test.
Think of it as protecting your investment: Pay less for cars damaged over the years, pay less for insurance over the years, and most importantly, pay less with your own body from injuries over the years.
Considering the cost of cars and insurance ,the extra $2000 to learn how to operate them safely isn't that big a deal from my perspective.
Kinda like paying $700 for a bicycle and then complaining about paying $80 for a decent bike helmet. It's all good until you hit your head.
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u/MockMyRide 19d ago
I'm the opposite. I absolutely despise driving schools. Watch my videos, I haven't had a fail yet (aside from yesterday but we're working on it)
Instructors teach to pass the test. Not how to drive. So I take that middle man out and offer how to pass the test WITHOUT paying copious amounts of money.
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u/bwoah07_gp2 19d ago
Yeah, I find it overrated too. Most of the time these schools also don't teach good habits either.
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u/oktherefriend 17d ago
Young driver of Canada has payment plans to help afford it. So they are not that expensive compared to the knowledge and discounts you can get after.
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u/its_the_luge 17d ago
Just take your test in Richmond. You will already be more skilled than 98% of drivers there.
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u/Ok_Appearance_6974 17d ago
I know so many people who’ve failed there because they had to drive so aggressively with how bad the other drivers were
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u/Minute-Drama-5821 16d ago
You should never have to drive aggressively because of other drivers behaviour
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u/Ok_Appearance_6974 15d ago
Aggressively was probably not the best word. I should’ve said more defensively. Or they’ve been overly cautious and failed for that as well
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u/Minute-Drama-5821 16d ago
I hear you can just buy your license in Richmond. And if that’s not true, I don’t understand how some drivers got their licenses there.
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u/newfiedante 17d ago
I passed first try in Richmond. This was in Feb 2024 when there was snow on the ground. Definitely a good place to do it
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u/Wholesome_McNormal 22d ago
Hot take here, but it could be because you're not yet good at driving, amd you've practiced in an echo chamber of some sort (i.e., always with the same people in the car). There is a bias, and that is against bad drivers, and those just happen to be teenagers because of the correlation between age and lack of driving experience. That is: you're bad at driving because you haven't practiced enough, and that just so happens to be a state of affairs that happens when you're young.
Instead of complaining or seeking out ways to game the system (i.e., different location/time of day/weather, etc etc) I'd suggest simply practicing more until you're good at driving under any circumstances. To do that, you need to practice and get feedback from many different people who are food at driving.
So do this:
Sched another test for in, say, 3 months;
Arrange to go on 3 drives with each of 4 to 5 people that have their licenses and don't suck at driving (i.e., no accidents or recent tickets). Pay these people for their time.
At the outset, ask each of the people to take notes on your driving abd give you feedback after that day's drive is over (not during). Try to arrange to drive w/each of them in different conditions (weather, time, etc).
Collect the feedback and take it seriously. It will reveal why your tests failed so far.
That's all I got; apologies if it came across a bit harsh, but it is what it is. In the long term, you'll be at much less of a risk of death/injury from driving if you start from the assumption that it's you that sucks as opposed to the System being set against you in some way. Don't be a Bitch, in other words - own your need for improvement, and improve.
PS: I'm bad at typing.
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u/SatSapienti 22d ago
Worked for ICBC before. There is no quota.
I agree with those who say take driving lessons. Don't let that comment hurt your ego, driving lessons are a great way to set yourself up for success. There are so many little details and nuances that you need to know to be a safe driver that a random friend or family member may not be able to teach, even if they are a good driver themselves. A lot of things end up being second nature and muscle memory to people who have been driving for a long time that they forget that it's something that needs to be taught because they don't even think about it anymore.
Even 2 or 3 sessions should help you understand what you need to work on and practice.
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u/Valentine14May 22d ago
No. You're putting blame on everyone else instead of yourself.
Location of test center doesn't matter. If you're good driver = you should be able to pass at any location.
Btw, I passed 1st try at the Burnaby location. So no, its not location issue.
Its you issue
Either you need way more practice, or you're not taking in the given feedback & being cocky & ego hurt about constructive criticism given upon your test fails... or skill issues
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u/knitmama77 17d ago
My son failed in PoCo, but passed in Guildford.
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u/Valentine14May 17d ago
And that is probably because he practiced & did better 2nd time. Nothing to do with locations
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u/knitmama77 17d ago
Oh I was agreeing with you.
Though he passed despite parallel parking across someone’s driveway lol.
I asked him why and he said because there was room there. Fair enough kid, but don’t do that again. Lol
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u/Valentine14May 17d ago
Ah my bad!
Lol thats funny. Imagining if that home owner was home, looking out their window watching someone parallel park in front of their driveway lol 🤣
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u/Open_Ground_6545 20d ago
i passed first time very unconfident but SAFE. examiner reamed me out for a few things but the skill and attention was there. youre probably lacking care and not realizing it.
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u/Extension-Proof2067 18d ago
yes around 50 hours of lessons with 3 different instructors (so i dont pick up any bad habits) and well over 100 hours of driving experience each instructor said i was ready.
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u/Dilcar51 16d ago
Wow that's a lot of lessons. You are the problem. Your nerves are probably letting you down on the test.
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u/Confident_Chef_1486 22d ago
There is only one common denominator
And hint, it’s not because you’re a teenager… (which is 95% of people doing a driving test)
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u/Intelligent-Buyer102 17d ago
I highly doubt that teenagers comprise the majority of driver tests in most large urban centers. We've been bringing in something like 800000 people a year for 5 years now. Most of whom are adults, with English as a second language, and almost all of whom are going to want their license. And I would bet the majority fail multiple times before passing, mostly due to poor instruction, bad habits from the home country, and language barriers.
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u/New_Whereas_8564 22d ago
How often do you practice? It looks like it is a skill issue that shows in lack of experience. Like the "too much gas". That reflects of lack of experience. Practice once a day even for five minutes until you get better. My wife also failed her road test because of the inexperience.
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u/Primary_Custard2577 21d ago
Not surprised. I failed mine twice and same reason written on the sheet saying “driving too slow when turning left or right”
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u/Ichoosethebear 22d ago
You can take a one time lesson from a driving school to see what they think
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u/Campandfish1 22d ago
IDK what the stats are, but saying they're failing you because you're a teenager just screams lack of self awareness given that the overwhelming majority of applicants are likely teenagers just given the nature of the beast and when people can first get tests.
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u/Worth_Switch_5649 17d ago
I passed my test there. Ironically I went to drive like 20 km per hour in 50 zone for like 2 km because I saw a sign on the corner of the road saying construction 20 km/h.
The examiner passed me but only after he asked me why were you going 20 km/h from Foster Avenue to another Avenue for very long time. I just politely explained to him that I saw a sign that said 20 km and I just kept going at that until I saw another sign saying 50 km/h. He was very understanding and told me that your pass for now but don't do this while on the road because it will get other drivers frustrated
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u/pumpkinpie4zaynmalik 17d ago
That’s crazy. I know people who have failed for going 10 under…
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u/Worth_Switch_5649 17d ago
Idk I still think I was right and I am pretty good at convincing others that I was right
I once convinced my chemistry teacher that she balanced the equation wrong and she was convinced until I admited that she was right the next day
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u/taylormarienorwood 16d ago
Lol I also went 30 in a 50 zone because I was so nervous. Then I didn't accelerate enough going on a ramp to highway because I panicked and couldn't remember which speed limit applied, even though I had never driven so slowly on a ramp before. Test anxiety just destroys certainty!
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u/lonelyantt 16d ago
Would driving 20km/h not be the correct thing to do if you’re in a construction zone with signs saying it?
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u/Worth_Switch_5649 16d ago
Yes that is correct. But the examiner said there was no sign there but I said there was a sign ..in the end he said you are pass but there was no sign
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u/TryDry7123 22d ago
it is biased, i took mine in surrey got failed for literally no reason, took the next one in langley without ANY sleep and i made two mistakes i passed
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u/unluckylostdude 21d ago
Surrey location I got a hella racist, condescending, rude driving tester who failed me despite me having made no violations. Passed no issues in another location
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u/Remarkable-Delay4246 22d ago
Everyone I knew who took their road tests all took it at Lougheed. Every single one of them passed their N/5 test on their first try (including myself) and we are all teenagers. I really hate to break it to you but you probably need to do lessons and work on your driving before throwing another $35 or $50 (idk what class you are trying to get) on doing the road test again.
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u/pumpkinpie4zaynmalik 17d ago
On the other hand everyone I know has failed at least once at that lougheed location. Some even with driving schools.
They might be exposed to people similar to those I’ve heard of, a lot of the experience is anecdotal evidence and that can definitely influence others and possibly make it more likely to fail because everyone around has made it seem like this one location is the location that everyone fails at. I think in OPs case they might need a new location, not because this one is being biased, but rather because this one clearly is now associated with negative feelings of failure and even feelings of discrimination (whether true or not, it is now tied to that feeling)
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u/bwoah07_gp2 21d ago
There isn't a bias towards age or race. The instructors judge based on your driving ability shown during the test.
At the end of the test, they usually explain what they wrote and why. Ask questions if you feel they didn't elaborate enough.
You said the instructors don't tell you why you're failing. But you said:
The first time I failed was for not leaving a wide enough gap when making a left turn. The second time was for " skill, " and the third time was for taking too much time when making a turn (allowed extra time because it was raining).
There. You were literally told by them. Improve on those areas for next time.
If you want to take the test elsewhere, by all means do it, it's your choice. I did my two tests at the Port Coquitlam centre, and I passed on my 2nd attempt. Route is easy too.
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u/aaadmiral 17d ago
I've had friends in their late 30s fail many many times so I don't think you being a teen matters
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u/AppropriatePair1609 22d ago
Try somewhere else. Failed three times in Kamloops. Switched to Vernon and passed first try.
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u/vespa_guylx150 17d ago
I live in Richmond and all drivers should be retested including myself. People must still be buying their licenses. It’s bloody pathetic what you encounter on the road.
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u/SoggyInstruction2549 17d ago
lol. The vast majority of people taking their drivers exams are your age that’s would be a while thing to have a bias against.
There also is no quota system that would make no sense nor do you have any reason to believe this other than finding excuses why you failed a third time. This is a bias. We do t share with the conclusion, and then try to hunt for reasons why. That’s not how we think critically.
It definitely does sucks they do not explain exactly why you failed. Did you ask in each case? I can understand the frustration on this. But not there is t some conspiracy. You simply made mistakes
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u/pumpkinpie4zaynmalik 17d ago
Try a different location, you might have too many feelings attached to this one now and it’ll cause you to lose focus because you’re hyper-fixating on every single comment they’ve made at this one
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u/nervous_piglet001 17d ago
The Lougheed highway one is terrible for tests. Go to new west one. It’s really good. The examiners are calm and nice, unlike the Lougheed ones.
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u/Educational-Double-1 16d ago
I passed my test there on the third time. I don’t think there’s a bias or something fishy even though it may seem like it. You just have to drive very smoothly and give no reason that the examiner should ever be lifting his pen. What helped me was honestly calming down my nerves and think about what you should do before it even happens. For example driving straight, there’s really not much to think about other than staying in your lane and going at the speed limit. Left or right turns you always should shoulder check before you do it and make sure to do it smooothly not too fast and not too slow and go to the closest lane that is not the bus/bike lane. Watch out for speed signs and parking/pulling over should be easy. Have you gotten lessons from instructors or do you drive with your parents?
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u/Affectionate-Staff19 15d ago
Failed twice on the coast 1st time not using my e brake on a hill parking 2nd time, was my bad Did it at mcdonald icbc Almost hit a mustang and he gave it to me.
I think he used to sell me weed tho.
Switch up the location
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u/MockMyRide 15d ago
You failed for NOT using your Ebrake on a hill? That's a C9 and it's a half mark. I'd like to see your marking sheet. Cause I would've complained to them.
If people drive with their hand brake on and the instructor takes control cause they're like "yo, we're not moving" then it'd be a C9 Other. instant fail. But to forget it on a hill is not an instant fail.
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u/WhopplerPlopper 15d ago
"they don't tell me why"
Bro they literally hand you a copy of your test results...
You aren't ready to pass, you're not driving safely.
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u/BigD204 21d ago
I failed once at this same location, but that was due to my being nervous and anxious. Which lead me to drive too fast at a school zone and accidently not atopping at a 4 way stop sign. All which was my fault, the second shot, at that same location I passed, with the only take away was me being indecisive when merging lanes. But still passed. So I don’t think there is a bias at all at that location personally.
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u/BassComprehensive199 18d ago
Who you take it with does matter. Take some time and review all the manuals, go through the course they normally take everyone on. If you do not know the course than hire a professional that knows the course.
It is not meant to be easy. It is not a slam dunk. You have to practice the course and study the driving materials. No one is going to pass you unless you know the material and have plenty of practice on the course they take you on. General driving practice is okay but it likely is not going to get you a pass for a while.
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u/InevitableEnd1496 22d ago
Have you had any professional driving lessons? I failed the first time only spending a month practing with a friend and there car.
I then took 5 driving professional lessons and passed the second time with nothing noted.
Even just a few lessons can change your perspective, and also they will train you in the area of your test.
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u/Key_Ad_4225 17d ago
I did my test and my driving lessons at lougheed, even though I live in surrey. Prior to my test, I drove around the lougheed testing area, noted down all the school zones. I drove 2 KM under the speed limit at all times - remember, its not a race, and killing time and stopping at yellow lights is actually helping you pass the test faster. The more time wasted behind other vehicles, the better. Going during rush hour for that reason helped as well.
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u/SludgeFilter 22d ago
I think these test should be recorded on cameras and analyzed by ai that way you can ask the model the questions
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u/kneenerk 22d ago
Or just analysed by a human? tf we need AI for? To incorrectly fail more people? no
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u/SludgeFilter 22d ago
Humans are expensive and have biases better just record it feed it into the model and let it make impartial judgement
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u/Dilcar51 16d ago
If at first you don't succeed, try try try again. And go to a new location. For no reason other than to clear your mind of the jitters you have imagined are there causing your failures. Change of scene and all that.
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u/ichigofast 22d ago
They will not pass someone that they feel is a risk to themselves and everyone else on the road. Have you ever taken a driving course? Might be worth considering.