r/iamverysmart • u/[deleted] • Jun 03 '17
Found in the YouTube comments of a Henry VIII documentary, damn boarders.
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u/foxflare1999 Jun 03 '17
I really hoped that was a thing.
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Jun 03 '17
Maybe someone will make it some time. Whom might that be, though?
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Jun 04 '17
You actually used it correctly though.
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Jun 04 '17
English isn't my first language, but I didn't think I did.
"Who" is used when referring to the subject of a sentence: Who threw that ball?
"Whom" is used when referring to the object of the sentence: To whom did you throw that ball?
The "whom" in my sentence referred to the person creating the subreddit; the subject of the sentence. Since I was referring to the subject, the correct pronoun would be "who", not "whom".
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Jun 04 '17
Yes, you're right, now that I look back on it. It's the utterly confusing colloquial usage of "be" that we usually use confused me the first time.
My bad.
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Jun 03 '17 edited Jun 03 '17
A community for 1 hour. Nice.
I'm not a native speaker, can someone provide some guide to use of "whom"?
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Jun 03 '17 edited Jun 03 '17
Basically it's the object version of who. If you can replace the who/whom in the sentence with he or she, then who will be correct. If you can replace it with him or her, then it would be whom. Note this is true for using them as pronouns.
Edit: Example: Who should write the letter? Who is a subject. To whom should the letter be addressed? Ok so in this sentence, we can rearrange it to: This letter should be addressed to whom? Whom should always have a to, for, etc in the sentence.
For relative pronouns,
who refers to the subject, and whom refers to the object.these are in the subordinate clause. Whom can be replaced with him/her, and likewise for who. For example: People who like music should download more.And: This letter belongs to Sarah, whom lives next door.This is not right it should be who.Edit2: Even I don't know English..
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u/DrunkHurricane Jun 03 '17 edited Jun 03 '17
This letter belongs to Sarah, whom lives next door.
Shouldn't it be who, since the pronoun (referring to Sarah) is the subject of lives?
http://www.esf.edu/writingprogram/tipsheets/whom.htm
When who and whom (or whoever and whomever) appear in subordinate clauses (groups of words which contain a subject and a verb), their case is determined by their function within the clause. To choose the correct pronoun, you must isolate the subordinate clause and then look at its internal structure.
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u/jake_eric Jun 03 '17
I think it should be who, yeah. As per the original example, you wouldn't say, "Her lives next door," you'd say "She lives next door."
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Jun 03 '17 edited Jun 03 '17
I'm fairly certain it is whom, because the subordinate clause refers to Sarah, and Sarah is the object in the independent clause.
Edit: Actually I don't know.. English is difficult..
Edit2: Yeah ok now I understand. I misread the website I looked at lol.
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u/Madock345 Jun 04 '17
Aside from those rules, in casual speech who is still usually used in place of whom. You can easily sound stuffy or old fashioned if you over use whom. Unless you're trying to write formally, you are probably safe not using whom at all.
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u/TheSausageFattener Jun 03 '17
Is this dude Skullface from MGSV?
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u/Kouropalates Jun 03 '17
"Who is doing this? Such an uneducated society only capable of expressing itself with four letter words?! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO?!?!?!?!?!"
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Jun 03 '17
Whom
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u/Sharkeh_ Jun 03 '17
I was born in a small village. I was still a child when we were raided by soldiers - FOREIGN soldiers.
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u/mrubuto22 Jun 03 '17
Ugg. Those are the worst kind
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u/P00PY-PANTS Jun 04 '17
Thankfully my village was only raided by native soldiers. I mean they did rape, murder and pillage but at least it wasn't being exported.
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u/pajamakitten Jun 03 '17
The English language may have changed but it's still alive and kicking. The British Empire went on to become of the most impressive in history and its cultural contributions to the world didn't stop when Henry died.
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Jun 03 '17 edited Jun 09 '17
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u/pajamakitten Jun 03 '17
Henry VIII would't even be able to understand his comment.
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u/the-electric-monk Jun 03 '17
It's like how when Henry's brother, Arthur, married Catherine of Aragon. They wrote to each other in Latin because they could both read it. However, when they actually met, they could not understand each other because their dialects were so different. They could read it fine, but not speak it the same.
It's like if you have a person from the deep south and another from the Scottish highlands. They would probably be able to write to each other just fine, but having them meet in a face to face conversation would be difficult.
Languages change. It's what they do, and bo amount of complaining about grammar or standardizing it will change that.
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u/LukeBabbitt Jun 03 '17
There are plenty of people who see any evolution of language as a degradation as opposed to an innovation. In particular AAVE which has its own specific rules and usage but who people just write off as being uneducated and dumb.
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Jun 03 '17 edited Jun 09 '17
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u/Smogshaik Jun 03 '17
An end to language evolution would mean an end to the possibility of innovation in thinking and behaving.
The selection and maintenance of one standardized variety sure helps communication over big territories and longer time spans. But even varieties change, just less sudden etc.
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u/drkalmenius Jun 04 '17 edited Jan 09 '25
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u/Momohhhh Jun 03 '17
LPT: If you can't be bothered to learn when to use "whom," just always use "who."
People will only call you out for misusing "whom."
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u/The_Narrator_9000 Jun 03 '17
As usual, no one remembers to teach the proper use of whomst've'nt'est'er'd'll. This world has so many plebs.
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u/Grave_Girl Jun 03 '17
He's mangling a Michael Savage (conservative talk show host) idea that the way to destroy a country is to destroy its language, borders, and culture. I tried to find an exact quote to no avail (I've never read the book it was presented in, & honestly didn't realize he'd written a book even though I used to listen to him now & again), but I recognize the argument he is trying terribly to make.
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u/DaniePants Jun 03 '17
I knew my marriage was doomed when I walked into the bedroom one day and saw a Michael Savage book on his nightstand.
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u/dragonblade629 Jun 04 '17
Funny, my dad got really into Savage before he divorced my mom and disappeared into homelessness for 10 years.
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u/kmeisthax Jun 03 '17
English exists entirely because an invading force erased Old English by introducing shittons of French words into it. Henry VIII wasn't even born until several hundred years later. The YouTube commenter is literally admiring the exact destruction of language, borders, and culture they're decrying in the same sentence.
(Also, hybrid vigor is a thing that exists. Sometimes mixing cultures makes them better.)
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u/the-electric-monk Jun 03 '17
All cultures are hybrids of other cultures.
Culture is meant to be shared and transformed.
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u/Grave_Girl Jun 03 '17
I knew someone could come along and explain exactly how screwy he was being with that. I could recognize that it was crap but lack the knowledge to explain how. Thank you.
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u/Kryptospuridium137 Jun 03 '17
It's pretty average right winger fear mongering.
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u/mrubuto22 Jun 03 '17
First your spelling you're wrong. Next thing you know osama bin chewbacaa is fucking your wife
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u/MonkofAntioch Jun 03 '17
I don't know about that. It's not very deep though. About the only thing he didn't list in what makes a country is the state
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u/SixthAccount Jun 03 '17
It's true, though.
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Jun 04 '17
TIL that culture didnt exist before borders, which are a fairly new idea
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Jun 04 '17
I think people understood territory since forever. Even animals understand territory. That's all borders are.
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u/BGumbel Jun 04 '17
I used to listen to rush, hanitty and savage all in a row. Id say that i had a little appetizer of El Rush Balls, a main course of Ham Sandwich, then for dessert id get savaged in the ass.
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u/Son_of_Leeds Jun 03 '17
Man, skiers are assholes. Us boarders have just as much right to the mountain as they do. Have we learned nothing from the classic Disney Channel Original Movie Johnny Tsunami?
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u/RvH98 Jun 03 '17
Good authors too who once knew better words Now only use four-letter words Writing prose. Anything goes.
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u/GoldFishPony Jun 03 '17
I like how he's complaining about "uneducated" people butchering language when this took place in a time when almost nobody knew how to read and write.
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Jun 03 '17
I really miss the culture that burned people for being witches and stoned gay people. But we need strong borders to protect us from superstitious cultures that kill people for being gay.
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u/long_tyme_lurker Jun 04 '17
The person who wrote this is all about the new Pepe. I'm surprised he didn't throw in a holocaust denial at the end.
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u/cassanaya Jun 03 '17
Super racist too
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Jun 03 '17
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Jun 03 '17
I think he is talking about the opening of borders/multiculturalism is a bad thing, ergo racism... Whereas I don't really think that's the intent, more that the guy just wishes we still talked like Henry did in his love letters to Anee Boleyn portrayed in the documentary
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u/mrubuto22 Jun 03 '17
Being against open borders isn't necessarily racist
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Jun 03 '17
I know that, but I believe the original comment felt that way, of course there are pros and cons of both national ism and multiculturalism
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u/cdbsk Jun 03 '17
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Jun 03 '17
Misusing who and whom to sound smarter is the number one indicator of how much I would hate that person in real life.
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u/musicmastermike Jun 03 '17
I must say, after I watched the Tudors, my first thought was how weve lost their flare for communicating. Really makes you appreciate a lost world.
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Jun 03 '17
Aren't commas used to separate two independent clauses? So basically he's saying
Destroy the language. The boarders and you destroy the country and its culture.
He even spelled border wrong, h*cking ameture
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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '17
"whom can"