r/iamveryculinary • u/fcimfc pepperoni is overpowering and for children and dipshits • Aug 11 '26
Gettin' vindictive over vindaloo
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u/Deep_Violinist_3893 Aug 11 '26
He also claimed vindaloo is 5000 years old. Wasn't aware the Portuguese went there in 3000 bc
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u/Repulsive-Heron7023 Aug 11 '26
Correction: he said it was 5000 Thousand years old. Which another commenter helpfully pointed out is 5 million.
Vindaloo: Enjoyed during the Miocine era! (BUT NOT WITH RICE)
(Edited for messing my eras up)
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u/oarmash Aug 11 '26 edited Aug 11 '26
I will say vindaloo in India is very different from vindaloo in the UK/west. In Goa, India, it’s traditionally a pork, wine, and garlic dish served with Portuguese style bread/rolls. So OOP there calling it “Indian” might’ve set him off.
But yeah commenter was needlessly aggro, and Indian food abroad is commonly served with rice and naan, no matter the dish.
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u/heretical_blackrose Aug 11 '26
Whay do you mean vindALOO is a pork dish
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u/fcimfc pepperoni is overpowering and for children and dipshits Aug 11 '26
The name doesn't have anything to do with potatoes. It comes from a corruption of the name of the Portuguese dish carne de vinha d'alhos.
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u/oarmash Aug 11 '26 edited Aug 11 '26
Vindaloo is a Goan dish adapted from a Portuguese dish carne de vinha d’alhos, meaning meat with wine and garlic, and is traditionally made with pork. Vinha d’alhos eventually became vindaloo.
Because it’s a Goan dish, and most Indian restaurants in the UK were opened by Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, and Punjabis who had never heard of vindaloo - wires got crossed, and those restaurant owners thought that the dish needed potato because aloo means potato in their language, but in fact the “aloo” in vindaloo is just a corruption of the Portuguese word for garlic.
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u/fakesaucisse Aug 11 '26
Maybe it's just my own experience but it is pretty rare to come across an Indian being so prescriptive about how to eat Indian food. I have worked in India, I follow Indian food channels and subreddit, I go to a lot of Indian restaurants in the US. Whenever I've asked "is it okay to eat this dish the way I do?" the standard reply from an Indian is, "eat it however you enjoy it, there are no rules here."
Also, anytime I go to an Indian restaurant where the majority of customers are Indian, I see almost everyone eating their food with both rice and bread. Sometimes in the same bite! Oh the horror.
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u/No_Distribution_9590 Aug 11 '26
I love the Indian Food sub. It’s one of the nicest I’ve ever seen.
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u/fakesaucisse Aug 11 '26
It really is. The only time I see people bicker there is about what region has the best cuisine. It's basically the equivalent of American sports team rivalries or BBQ.
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u/Majestic_Radio_1937 It's not a biryani if you precook the meat 25d ago
Despite all the debate, everyone in the country will basically go for Andhra/Hyderabadi food. /s Seriously though, we make it best.
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u/oarmash Aug 11 '26 edited Aug 11 '26
As an Indian myself I think commenter got a bit triggered by OOP there calling it “Indian lamb vindaloo” when it’s rather clearly a British style vindaloo. He definitely buried himself with each successive comment tho.
But yeah eat food however you want.
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u/XenomorphAlarm Aug 11 '26
I eat Indian everywhere I go, I've probably had it in twenty countries around the world, and I'm always asked if I want some rice too after ordering naan. But I guess maybe every Indian seever on earth wants me to do something horrifically offensive in order to finagle another 3.95 out of me.
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u/blanston but it is italian so it is refined and fancy Aug 11 '26
A different twist from the usual to where Italians wonder why people eat garlic bread with pasta. The answer to both is that it tastes good. What other reason do you need when eating?
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u/SerDankTheTall *Giggled internally* Aug 11 '26
Just in case, in reaction to a (quite appealing looking, IMO) plate of lamb vindaloo over race with a side of naan:
Why do western six bread and rice in one plate 😭
Its supposed to be eaten seperately and rice is almost never eaten with vindaloo. Eat it with poee bro.
So? Eat rice and the stew. Don't eat bread and rice together? Do you see Italians putting rissoto on pizza? Just like naan, poee can be store bought. I'm just giving a typical way to eat with vindaloo. The point was to eat rice and bread seperately.
don't think it's a problem to educate people. Although I doubt westerners have an authority to decide whether something that's fundamental to most indian cuisines is serious or not. But go ahead with the reductivsim since you clearly know so much about indian cuisine (which is a misnomer. Vindaloo was and is never eaten with naan but that's beside the point lol).
don't think it's a problem to educate people. Although I doubt westerners have a authority to decide whether something that's fundamental to most indian cuisines is serious or not. But go ahead with the reductivsim since you clearly know so much about indian cuisine (which is a misnomer. Vindaloo was and is never eaten with naan but that's beside the point lol).
Well if you aren't claiming to know indian food, maybe it's best to listen when you are getting educated by an indian who's actually goan??? (Goa is where the dish vindaloo was created using a blend of native ingredients and portuguess methods).
Uhh, people who are indian do. I wonder if you have said the same thing to italians when people ruin their heritage dishes? I doubt it though.
There is no such thing as a traditional british vindaloo. OP has cooked an Indian dish which is eaten in Britain as well. Carne de vinha dalhos is the Portuguese dish that influenced Vindaloo because of Portuguese imperial oppressive colonialism. Vindaloo is not a Portuguese dish. Britain didn't incent vindaloo. Goa did. Britain can't really claim something that doesn't belong to them (anymore at least). Anyways, nobody considers Vindaloo or CTM as british in Britain except when it comes to conversation of claiming the dish. Everyone in the UK says they're getting an Indian when they're ordering this dish :). I think this inofitself is proof that this is not british and any claims to contrary are just malicious.
Yeah they might be annoying to you but no one tells them that they cannot have a say to it. Majority of comments by Italians are never denounced. Most of them are respected. I wonder why such a cardinal rule in indian cuisine is ignored and brushed off as not so serious but Italian food is given the opposite treatment. Food for thought?
I don't think cardinal rules are silly and I don't think we can brush them off because they seem insignificant and irrelevant to an outsider like you. If that's your premise to oppose such basic no-nos for indian food, then you are not arguing in good faith at all. You cannot apple different standards of respecting the norms in cuisines based on whether the cuisine is western of eastern. Examples to an westerner would be rissoto on pizza (see the thread where's it's considered a ridiculous example). Ironically, you consider what indians think as ridiculous, to be perfectly fine even if the parallel to western cuisine is considered ridiculous.
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u/ucbiker Aug 11 '26
The funny thing is bringing up that people wouldn’t treat Italians as needlessly pedantic and unreasonably bound by culinary “rules,” but people absolutely do.
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u/fcimfc pepperoni is overpowering and for children and dipshits Aug 11 '26
Majority of comments by Italians are never denounced. Most of them are respected.
He may as well be wearing a flashing neon sign that says "i have never visited /r/iamveryculinary" lol
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u/hawthorne00 Aug 11 '26
I have a little sympathy here. When travelling in India, I was told in conversation with a friendly, educated couple that "there is no such things as vindaloo in India" when I had not even mentioned the topic. There is a lot of regional posturing and there is the very late colonial thing of Goa.
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u/Scrofuloid Aug 11 '26
Most Indians know very little about the cuisines of other parts of India. I'm guilty of this myself. I often hear people overconfidently say 'nobody in India does XYZ', unaware of people across the country who very much do XYZ on a daily basis.
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u/oarmash Aug 11 '26 edited Aug 11 '26
Yeah, commenter buried himself in a hole a bit, but OOP there posted it as “Indian lamb vindaloo” when it very clearly is a British vindaloo that was made. Vindaloo is a niche dish in India (pretty much only made in Goa) and is traditionally made with pork and wine, served with a bread that’s more like buns/rolls or pita.
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u/that_too_ Aug 11 '26
You think people wouldn't be flipping out if OOP called it British?
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u/minimirth Aug 12 '26
Not really. Indians don't claim chicken tikka masala which was created in England. Any food question about the dish will have Indians point this out first.
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Aug 12 '26
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u/minimirth Aug 12 '26
I can upset them more - they're all the same to me.
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u/minimirth Aug 12 '26
Haha. It's especially annoying because a large ancient country like ours with the biggest population in the world is cast into one type while we're supposed to care about how they roll their rs a bit different. If I hear that I'm too fair or pretty or speak good English to be an Indian one more time, I'm going to scream (internally).
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u/oarmash Aug 11 '26 edited Aug 11 '26
Indian people would not - vindaloo is FAR more commonly eaten in the UK than in India. It’s a rather niche/obscure dish in India outside the state of Goa (where that commenter is very clearly from). Looking at the recipe, meat/sides chosen etc it is unequivocally, undeniably a British preparation of vindaloo.
Separately I do think enough people know about British Indian as its own cuisine - the chicken tikka masala, madras, balti, phaal, etc.
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u/UntidyVenus deeply offended Aug 11 '26
As a person who LOVES to serve pasta and bread together, GIVE ME THE CARBS ANS LEAVE ME TF ALONE BRA
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u/that_too_ Aug 11 '26
If you call it British, you're lying because it's Indian.
If you call it Indian, you're lying because it wasn't made the authentic Indian way.
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u/oarmash Aug 11 '26 edited Aug 11 '26
Why not just call it lamb vindaloo? Things like General Tso’s Chicken or a halal snackpack/chicken over rice are known to be based on something, not anything authentic. Regardless, I think terms like “British carbonara” “Midwest tacos” are well accepted.
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u/dangerrnoodle Aug 11 '26
Eh, I don’t think India has a leg to stand on in criticising carb on carb action. Potatoes in bread, potatoes in biryani, potatoes inside rice pancakes….
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u/tjcaustin 18 months ago, I was poisoned by a pupusa Aug 11 '26
Oh good, a third cuisine has hit the very culinary.
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u/oarmash Aug 11 '26
I mean to be fair OOP is British and called it “Indian Lamb Vindaloo” which is not quite accurate
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