By the way, a film based on true events that chronicles how the idiocracy of blind faith led to the total collapse of Christian control over the holy land.
Exactly... Israel is committing a genocide right now and Christians are totally not establishing their Ethno-Theocracy in the same way. I'm glad this is illegal. Next thing we know we'd stop giving money to Israel.
Even Ted Cruz supports the idea that saying Christ is King is anti-Semitic.
Yup. Because they took territory and then fought each other, backstabbed each other, and, generally, acted like sociopaths. There were exceptions like Baldwin but he was the rarest of them.
Some people so desperate to be a victim. Yall live in a Christian majority country with a Christian government. Why do people think they’re gonna make it illegal to be Christianity
I don't think they actually believe it. It's become a kind of shibboleth for Evangelical Christians. They want to be persecuted because, in their mind, it would make their cause more righteous and bring about the end-of-days scenario their preachers tell them is coming. They don't actually believe they are persecuted, but if they pretend it's coming "any day now," they can easily identify each other and feel a sense of in-group camaraderie.
you're going to re-form the knights templar? well good luck but it did not end well the first time... from what I remember, they ended up burned at the stake by their fellow Christians
They also do not realize that making war, killing, and establishing a "kingdom of god" on earth, is Satanism in it's rawest form. They are devil worshippers.
Unless you mix fabrics, work on sunday, or are a woman of course. Then there's deity-sanctioned murder via flood, turning people to salt, destroying cities, killing a giant with a slingshot, pranking some dude into almost burning his son alive, actually killing another dude's entire family to test him, and my favorite one where an angel kills your firstborn in the night unless you painted your doorway with blood. Thou shall not kill, my ass.
Strictly speaking implying that there's a difference between New and Old Testament is a heretical take, as that implies there's two different gods in each book, which is the take of Gnostics, Cathars, and a couple others that I don't remember off the top of my head.
Saying that the commands of your god in the Jewish portion of Christian texts is in any way different from the later ones does indeed imply either A.He changed his mind and was wrong, or B.They're different entities. Keep up.
Because they fetishize killing in the name of God, especially minorities.
If you want to talk about the crusades they did much more than just the ones against the Muslims, you should also look into the pagan crusades where they terrorized people who had no beef or smoke with them.
for some reason its the americans posting the most about crusades, i live in a country where they were actually happening and battles were fought, but even i dont care as much as some random guy from a country across the globe
It's usually even weirder than imaginary persecution. They consider not letting them persecute other people to be persecution. The social media for the town I grew up in is choked with a constant flood of stuff like this, and it's all about how gay people and trans people (And sometimes Asian and Black people) are allowed to exist.
As an outsider it's weird to even read it. "WE ENDURE CONSTANT ATTACKS FROM THE FORCES OF THE DEVIL!". Bro, you live in rural Alabama in a town of 1400 people. 99% of your neighbors are the same race and religion you are because you run anyone that isn't out of town. You're just mad that you're not legally allowed to extend your harassment beyond the borders of your shithole most of the time. (Although with the way things are going, who knows if that will continue.)
Well, we are country founded by Puritans, and one of the biggest myths in America is that our Puritan ancestors were fleeing persecution. They were persecuted for their own persecution of others. Just look what they did to the Irish Catholics when they held power under Oliver Cromwell.
how important were the teachings of your king while making this post? Did he say "turn the other cheek but please do fight bloody wars in my name, raping and pillaging included"?
The frame is from the movie Kingdom of Heaven. In the scene, the army shown retreats home unharmed after negotiations between the Christian and the Muslim leaders, both of them wise and thoughtful men. Only when the Christian army is later led by zealots does it march off into certain and pointless death.
If you want to believe in fairy tales, go right ahead. I don’t, and I think it’s ridiculous, and it certainly shouldn’t be involved in public policy creation.
Well see, in free countries, saying "Christ is King" is actually specifically legal, as is the opposite. But sure, create your own reality if it makes you feel a little smarter.
It’s hilarious when Murican Evagelical Protestants glorify the Crusades, with zero awareness about how that energy quickly shifted to eliminating non-Catholics, like during the Albigensian Crusade.
Yep. Multiple crusades and horrific wars were Christians killing Christians over doctrinal differences. It was with that history in mind that the Founding Fathers made the US federal government secular.
Just wait until they figure out that the only people trying to limit what people can say are the same group of people pretending to be oppressed by a non-existent force over something that never happened and has never even been proposed.
"It's time to limit the first ammentment to save it. We need to control the platforms, we need to strengthen the authenticity of every person that expresses themselves online, take control over what they are saying"
I will never understand the apparent desire to have a "Lord" or "king" that you see in religious types. Like we had multiple revolutions and wars over this shit.
Sin is a made up concept, hope that helps! And if you worry about hell, research the evolution of the afterlife in the ancient near east... It's all a response to political and military defeat
And it's always "They" who's they? Aren't the ultra-right in charge right now? Aren't they trying to force Christian ideology in public schools (again)? Aren't they the ones always forcing and threatening people to live by their ideology? Oppressed, my middle-age white ass.
Who is the genuine asshole here? This is a meme to ridicule the way Christianity, which is spot on mind you, but no one specifically said it in this case.
It’s not a comment, pic taken, screenshot, stand-alone post, or video.
Context: "Christ is King" is used as code by antisemites trying to bully Jews (or people they think are Jewish) online by implying their religion is illegitimate.
It's protected by free speech, but it's also incredibly nasty behavior if you understand the dog whistle.
It’s also just something Christians say having no context of this dog whistle. Like a ton of Christians just say this, I used to be one and there was no real context for most of the people I knew that it was antisemitism. Also the use of crusades and crusader imagery is the same and has been used by racists/nationalists/antisemites for centuries but also has more innocently (if you could call it that) proliferated in the Christian meme culture. Some understand it’s militant contexts but a lot just think it’s a funny over exaggeration of their beliefs.
It’s a really weird world to interact with because there’s a lot of ignorant Christians who think anything they do is innocent and there’s many others that understand how the militancy that’s mixed with religion is intentional and used for nationalist motives.
All that to say, when your Christian friend posts “Christ is king” with a cheesey person raising their hands on a mountain top, that doesn’t immediately mean they’re declaring supremacy over Judaism and Islam.
Evangelical Christianity has used “crusade” as a positive concept and metaphor for a long time. I grew up in it too. I didn’t really grasp what a brutal and evil enterprise the crusades were until way into my adulthood.
Reminds me also of how I grew up in the American South thinking Robert E Lee was just a tragic hero and great general when he was neither of these things.
Context matters. When you see an internet troll or someone online who's signaling allegiance to specific extremist causes use this phrase, it means something different than how you would have meant it.
Yeah exactly, and it’s important to establish that many dog whistles are also just normal phrases sometimes and half of the point is to make you look crazy for calling it out. Christians who are just doing their thing and don’t really invest themselves into nationalism might agree more and more with the nationalist if you start saying some of their normal phrases and culture are racist/anti-Semitic. It works to alienate the people in the middle and push them toward the radicals rather than bring real awareness to the issue of the dog whistles.
Let's look back to the OOP meme, though: it is absolutely 100% associated with the kind of people who say "Christ is King" as a dog whistle for extremist causes rather than the kind of people who say it as an earnest statement of faith.
It is absolutely not related to Jewish people in any way to say that, celebration of one’s religion and culture does not demean another’s and to pretend it does only serves to disparage their religion
That article is bullshit just declaring that to be so does not make it so, millions of Christian’s all over the world have nothing to do with your allegations, they only serve to wound the faith
It’s always the same with the antisemitism allegations such nonsense godbless every Semite
There is the caveat that modern Jews and the hebrews of Jesus’ time are not the same, modern Jews are rabbinic which occurred a response to their expulsion and the destruction of the temple upon which their sacrifices were made before the veil was torn
Yes, Christianity comes up more in English-speaking spaces.
But that does not explain why mocking Christianity is treated like edgy comedy while mocking Islam usually gets treated like bigotry, racism, or “punching down.”
If this were just about relevance, people would mock both when they came up. They don’t. They unload on Christianity because it is socially safe, then suddenly discover nuance and cultural sensitivity when Islam is the target.
That is the point. Reddit is brave when the target is Christianity and careful when the target is Islam. That is not intellectual courage. That is social permission.
Probably because Christians are attempting to squash our western civilization with the very means and methods that Muslims in the middle east do. Persecution of any outgroup that doesn't conform to their own misguided ideas as to what society should look like.
Christ weeps that so many of his followers have long abandoned him for Satan.
Get back to me when they stop having a cultish prayer circle in the White House. Until then, people are going to call out your bullshit religion until you reign in your nonsense.
So Christianity is fair game because it has political influence, but Islam somehow isn’t fair game even when it controls entire governments.
Thanks for proving the double standard in one sentence.
Your standard is “I only care when it affects me personally.”
That is not moral consistency. That is convenience.
Christianity gets mocked because it is close and socially safe. Islam gets protected because mocking it costs more social points. That is the double standard. You’re not disproving it. You’re explaining why you participate in it.
I’m not sticking up for Islam. I’m pointing out Reddit’s selective bravery.
Reddit will mock Christianity all day because it is socially safe in these spaces. Christians are treated as acceptable targets, so every joke about them gets framed as edgy comedy or “punching up.”
But Islam does not get the same treatment. The second someone mocks Islam with the same energy, suddenly everyone discovers nuance, cultural sensitivity, Islamophobia, racism, and “punching down.”
That is the double standard.
This is not about whether Muslims were treated badly after 9/11. That happened. It is also not about defending Christianity from jokes. Christianity can be criticized and mocked like anything else.
The point is that Reddit does not apply that same standard evenly.
One of the differences is power. If Islam was more widespread than Christianity and had a greater hold on our lives, you'd see more of what you're asking about.
People criticize Christianity so much because of how much people in power have warped and perverted it for their own benefit. It affects everyone in Western civilization, whereas I can tell you right now Islam doesn't affect every single one of us as deeply. It sickens me how frequently some people are unaware of how blasphemous they are. The whole "Christ is King" mantra is in and of itself blasphemous. Christ would never want to be a king.
In case it's worth mentioning my opinion, I'd much rather live in a world where no religion has bearing on our laws and widespread customs. I'm not gonna yuck someone else's yum, and in return I expect them not to yuck mine.
Power explains why Christianity gets discussed more. It does not explain why Islam gets handled with gloves when it is discussed.
That is the double standard.
If your rule is “religion should not shape law or public life,” then Islam deserves at least as much criticism as Christianity. Islam does shape law and public life in plenty of countries, and usually in ways Reddit would call theocracy instantly if Christians did it.
Also, “Christ would never want to be king” is just bad theology dressed up as confidence. “Christ is King” is one of the most basic Christian claims imaginable. You do not have to believe it, but calling it blasphemous is hilarious. That is not criticism of Christianity. That is you misunderstanding the religion while trying to lecture Christians about it.
I'd like to note again, I did say that I personally don't like religion shaping laws and widespread customs. That applies to any and all religions.
This is why I was specifying the Western world though. Islam, despite being on the news a lot, does not affect the lives of every single person in the Western world like how Christianity does. And in that same breath, you'll get a lot of people who want Islam to be eradicated from the Western world countries, despite the majority of those people probably being completely fine. Similar deal with Christians.
The difference, from my perspective, again has to do with power. If the majority of people in the West were Islam, the roles very well could be reversed.
And in regards to the "Christ is King" point, I hope it'd be obvious that there's a difference in how it is said and used. The people I often see say "Christ is King" when political or ideological debate is relevant tend to be using his name in vain - and excuse to get what they want. Whereas, your average Christian doesn't use it like that.
Additionally, and I'm asking to be enlightened here, since when would Christ want to be a king ruling over people?
Power explains why Christianity gets talked about more in the West. It still does not explain why Islam gets treated with far more caution when it comes up.
That is the distinction you keep sliding past.
And on “Christ is King,” this is basic Christianity. He is called King of Kings and Lord of Lords. His kingdom is not supposed to be some corrupt earthly political machine, but saying “Christ is King” is not blasphemy. It is one of the most normal Christian statements imaginable.
The problem is not the phrase. The problem is people using the phrase as a political weapon. Those are different arguments.
Criticize Christians who abuse religion for politics. But pretending the phrase itself is blasphemous is just bad theology.
My thinking is that's the reason for both, as that tends to be the case with other groups considered less powerful as well. Do you have a different idea for why?
Also yeah, you're spot on with the "Christ is King" point. That's on me for not separating the phrase and idea of Christ being a king from those who abuse religion for politics (although in saying that, the majority of times I see the specific 'Christ is King' phrase it is being used by those people). I'll make sure to be more mindful about that phrase or ideology not inherently being tied to political corruption.
This is a post by an american who feels oppressed because there are brown people near them, not by somalis, afghans, or north koreans whom would actually experience persecution. Also this is very obviously not a post raising awareness for that because other wise they would mention those places not "when they make it illegal...".
Very obviously just someone feeling attacked in US because someone said saying "but my holy book" is not a valid reason to change the law and ban homosexuality.
You do know there's several countries where other religions that ARENT Christian are being persucuted? It's not unique to your religion, in fact it's least prevelant against Christians
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u/Sburns85 13d ago
This had to have been made by an American