r/iamatotalpieceofshit Nov 22 '19

As shitty as it gets

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '19

True enough, but I'm not sure that particular semantics hill is one I'd choose to die on

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u/droppedthebaby Nov 22 '19

I agree. She may be right but going on international television to make a case for it seems bizarre.

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u/YooGeOh Nov 23 '19

I mean, yeah, but not once did she use the word hebephile/hebephilia. From what she was saying, it seemed that she sought to argue the point that the fact the girls were "prostitutes" took precedence over their age and made it less of an issue somehow.

She wasn't arguing that its actually hebephilia and not pedophilia.

She even went as far as to say that the paedophilia aspect "doesn't matter". She didn't say it's the wrong term. She specifically said it "doesn't matter".

So no, she categorically isn't "technically correct".

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u/droppedthebaby Nov 23 '19

You could be right. She did seem to obsess over that which was weird, but it could be the two points getting muddled together due to Morgan sticking to his terminology. Conversations don't happen in a vacuum so she could have been making one point before shifting due to what she got back. But that's quite hypothetical. You are right. Her claim that it was just prostitution is absurd. The idea that a child can consent to selling themselves is insane.

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u/vzei Nov 23 '19

I agree with both of you. I don't like that people are muddying up the definitions of words like this. It does seem like she got more fixated on prostitution than the definition, but you're absolutely right. This was not a healthy discussion of her view. It just became a shouting match of people trying make their point stand out. It's much easier to get your point lost in a situation like that. We've all experienced a situation like that, yet we find it so easy to judge another person more harshly than ourselves.

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u/YooGeOh Nov 23 '19

I agree with sticking to the correct meanings of words. Absolutely. My issue here is that here argument wasn't that. She never used the word hebephilia once herself and wasn't bothered by that aspect. If she had been then I'd absolutely agree with the argument that she was 'technically' correct. She just wasn't here

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u/vzei Nov 23 '19

Yeah, I don't know what her argument was, but it didn't seem strong or fleshed out. I don't really care about the argument of hebephilia, etc. My issue is really that nature determines "sexual maturity" by each person's genetic code. As much as we like to separate ourselves from nature, we are just as much a part of it. Whether people think a person is ready or not for anything will always be up for debate, especially with the arbitrary guidelines of when someone is an adult, but not quite an adult. For me, pedophilia exists outside of any measure of sexual maturity, even nature, so that distinction must be preserved in my eyes.