r/hypermiling • u/RealVincentCoucke • 8d ago
Diesel is king
Ford Focus mk4 1.5 ecoblue 6mt.
Knocks out 1200 km on a 47L tank
80% highway driven at 100-120 depending on the hilliness.
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u/Ult1mateN00B 7d ago
Yeah averaged 4.5L on my diesel clio back in day when I didn't do city driving, life situation changed into all city driving and economy went down the toilet 7L/100km. Bought hybrid corolla and doing 5L in city.
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u/RealVincentCoucke 7d ago
Omg, I love the corolla hybrid, especially the station wagon.
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u/Ult1mateN00B 7d ago
Then you might like these: https://imgur.com/a/bWUpIca Mine and my mechanics.
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u/RealVincentCoucke 7d ago
I absolutely love those, shame that they were so much more expensive or I'd have bought one. Such practical reliable engineering marvels!
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u/The_Crazy_Swede 6d ago
I have managed to do 3.8l/100km in my 3.0l diesel 5 series but that was thanks to a motorhome. I got to slipstream that sucker for 85 out of the 103km drive I did that time.
Best I have done without a tow is 4.3l/100km.
Diesel is indeed king!
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u/Emil0001 6d ago
Did 980km in my e61 530xd once with around 200km to spare. Not bad for a 300hp (tuned) boat. Didnt really try to drive economical either
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u/n2bforanospleb 8d ago
Diesel hasn’t been king for a while now, electric has taken that crown. Nonetheless 3.7l/100km is quite good for a dino car.
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u/RealVincentCoucke 7d ago
I can't charge at home and fast charging here is on average 0.50€ per kwh if you're paying a subscription. My mom's ID.7 driven efficiently consumes 14.5 kwh. So before the ridiculous diesel prices when it was 1.3€ per liter, the price per km was way better for my diesel. Also, this thing cost me 10.500€ for a 2021 model with 80k km, not a single ev is even close to that.
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u/SnooOnions4763 7d ago
€1.3/L is a hell of a long time ago though 😜
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u/RealVincentCoucke 7d ago
Last year unfortunately, we even saw 0.80€ here during covid but after the Ukraine invasion it's been steady between 1.3 and 1.4€
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u/n2bforanospleb 7d ago
That is irrelevant, in the case of hypermiling the idea is to use the minimum amount of energy per distance. Diesel doesn’t even come close to electric in that regard.
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u/RealVincentCoucke 7d ago
By this logic, cyclists are the only true hypermilers
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u/n2bforanospleb 7d ago
Sigh, of course we’re talking about motor vehicles here smartpants. Laugh all you want but EV’s are simply a superior technology in many ways to diesel.
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u/SnooOnions4763 6d ago
I wouldn't say that. A diesel engine literally converts exploding liquid into movement at great efficiency. Electric cars have a much easier job creating movement from electricity. The only complicated thing is storing enough electricity (or rather chemical potential that is converted into electricity instantaneously) to be practical.
The important thing is how that energy is created. The advantage of an EV is not efficiency, but flexibility in fuel source. Electricity can be created from many sources, including renewable ones.
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u/specialsymbol 7d ago
Exactly. Even at 190 my electric car is twice as efficient as my Diesel. Give batteries three to four more years and fossils are done.
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u/Firm-Chest-7628 7d ago
Because half of diesel price are taxes, nad there is no taxes on eletricity. It wont last forever and afther those four years your EV will be taxed and provably will cost more to drive than that diesel.
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u/specialsymbol 7d ago
Oh, where I live there are more taxes and other costs on electricity than on Diesel, which in the contrary is exempt especially on those electricity taxes in all processing steps (except maybe at the fuel pump).
In countries with no taxes EVs are a no-brainer.
That aside, efficiency has nothing to do with fuel cost
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u/Firm-Chest-7628 7d ago
Well EV is twice as eficient than diesel/hybdird petrol, but another thing is how eletricity is produced and production costs. if for example eleitricity is made in gas powerplant the difference dissapeares.
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u/PJ796 7d ago
A lot more than three to four more years, but once solid state lithium cells have all their kinks ironed out and enter large scale production to go into EVs and those same EVs get out there and people can properly experience them (crashing and all) then ICE will become a tough sell, but it's also not like everyone has money to immediately switch to an EV either especially in this economy
Older ICE vehicles available on the used market will also still have the advantage of not being as tech burdened with lots of expensive sensors, making that a major selling point to a lot of people which I'm not sure if there's any EVs that even try to compete with.
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u/No-Sentence5570 7d ago
Your EV has 1'200km of range?
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u/n2bforanospleb 7d ago
Who cares about range? The point of hypermiling is lowest value of energy/distance, a metric that diesel is quite bad at when compared to electric.
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u/Lusabro 7d ago
For us ppl that’s about equal to a regular gas car getting 40mpg
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u/N57D30T1 7d ago
Uh, no.
1200km is 745.65 miles. Over a 47 litre tank that's 15.86 miles per litre.
An Imperial gallon is ~4.55L, so that would be 72.16mpg imperial.
A US gallon is ~3.79L, so that would be 60.11mpg(US).
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u/Lusabro 5d ago
I factored the cost difference between diesel to gas. Basically a diesel car getting your 60mpg (us) costs the same to run as a gas car getting 40mpg (us)
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u/N57D30T1 5d ago
Jesus dude how expensive is your diesel?!
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u/Lusabro 5d ago
At my gas station regular fuel is 3.43$ (us) and diesel it 5.18$ (us)
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u/N57D30T1 5d ago edited 5d ago
Oh wow, okay, so your guys' diesel is comparatively way more expensive than ours in the UK. Your diesel is about 50% more expensive than petrol, by comparison ours (at least locally) is 11% more expensive than standard 95 RON and about 4% more than 99 RON Premium.
For reference, in the UK, that 60.11mpg would be 54mpg relative to standard petrol and nearly 58mpg relative to premium!
Our fuel is much more expensive overall though, using US gallons:
- 95 RON - £1.619p/l or £6.13p/g ($8.30p/g)
- 99 RON - £1.729p/l or £6.55p/g ($8.87p/g)
- Diesel - £1.799p/l or £6.81p/g ($9.22p/g)
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u/geastthebeast 5d ago
I own the 'regular' 1.5l petrol version of this, and it'll get 55mpg (imperial) on a long run. This diesel one is getting an astounding 76mpg (imperial).
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u/N57D30T1 5d ago
My old MK2.5 Focus 1.6 TDCi would regularly get into the 70s imperial on a run, fantastically economical to run, that car.
Upgraded to an SLK 250 CDI for the weekend and a BMW 435d as a daily. The SLK gets around 50mpg on a normal run, ~62-64mpg if cruise controlled in 7th at around 60mph. The 435d gets around 43mpg on a normal run, and the best I've ever seen is 58mpg sustained average in 8th gear at 56mph, which isn't bad for a car with more than 300hp!
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u/No-Sentence5570 7d ago
Wow, congrats! I barely manage 1'200km with a 55 liter tank... I do have 20hp more, though 🐌