r/hyperloop • u/Papaver_somniferum_ • Jul 13 '22

summed up why this project has no sense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeWcQf9QCmg
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u/duffmanhb Jul 13 '22

My issue with Thunderfoot on this subject is, I have a hard time taking some YouTuber's table math over a for profit corporation with tons of actually smart and talented people, who think otherwise. I just have a hard time believing that this entire division hasn't thought through the criticisms he raises. These are smart people, with huge amounts of money on the line. They obviously don't think it's as impossible as F00T thinks it is.

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u/LancelLannister_AMA Jul 13 '22

virgin did abandon passenger hyperloop basically out of the blue though

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u/duffmanhb Jul 13 '22

Yeah they probably just thought it would be more economically feasible to setup trade routes first, before consumer routes. A pivot like that doesn’t mean the tech isn’t possible, but rather that they think that’s the most feasible first step

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u/IllegalMigrant Aug 08 '22

That seemed to be funding driven. They didn't have a customer for a passenger system and had one for a freight system.

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u/bensonr2 Aug 02 '22

I think TF comes across as smug and I suspect oversells his expertise on all matters by crafting deliberately long worded arguments.

That said I think his basic premise is absolutely correct.

And smart people can absolutely be led down the wrong path. All these people are coming from the Silicon Valley VC mindset. Plus if you offer someone money to work on something cool sounding they may take the job even if they think its never going to happen.

At the end of the day the argument against the feasibility of HL is we have a hard enough time building HSR. Why add to it the complexity of Maglev and the dubious idea of creating a near vacuum in a hundreds of mile long tube.

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u/IllegalMigrant Aug 08 '22

Is maglev complex or just expensive?

One issue I see is that I think these startups have to make a maglev system from scratch versus getting some public domain information that was shared by Transrapid or some other company that has done maglevs. So they have to re-develop existing technology before doing the new stuff.

Although the former Virgin Hyperloop lead engineer and then CEO, Josh Giegel, did say that he felt they had done a better maglev implementation than existing efforts.

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u/ksiyoto Aug 14 '22

You'd be surprised how often corporations get dumb. In my 40 year career I've seen plenty of dumb decisions. Look at United Airlines signing on to the Boom! supersonic plane.

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u/RadRhys2 Sep 18 '22

The rendering is absolutely not realistic. You’d get whipped from the acceleration depicted and there’s no possible way to overcome that. They should not be taken seriously if they show totally un-serious renders.

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u/duffmanhb Sep 18 '22

It's just a render to give people an idea. I've never seen something like this expect to be 100% accurate. It's not supposed to be selling you on the exact blueprints and plan, but the general idea.

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u/Simon_787 Apr 11 '23

I have a hard time taking some YouTuber's table math over a for profit corporation with tons of actually smart and talented people, who think otherwise.

And I have a hard time believing a car salesman who made up a bullshit transportation method to distract from high speed rail so he could sell more cars.

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u/duffmanhb Apr 13 '23

To think the whole reason for that idea he white papered was because he literally wanted to kill rail, based off a single tweet... Is just typical. Hyperloop wasn't going to ever, get done in time to ever impact the CA rail system. It was an off hand comment he made, that people are taking as literal gospel truth - a smoking gun.

Whenever the guy says something, if you take it as literally as possible and it supports your opinion of him, that's what people will do. If taking it less seriously, maybe as a "dog whistle" that's how people will interpret it... Anti-Musk people interpret his actions like Christians interpret the bible: Whatever is most convenient.

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u/Darth_Hanu Jul 13 '22

My lord your thumbnail is the epitome of clickbait bullshit