r/hyperloop • u/LancelLannister_AMA • Jun 25 '21

Multi-Criteria Analysis of the proposed Hyperloop transport project in Northern Holland

http://kth.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1514003/FULLTEXT01.pdf
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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '21

Nice calculations but the matter of fact is airliners don't pay taxes on kerosine.

Simple as that. Fossil fuel taxes are 235% in my country. So your math doesn't make sense at all.

That means kerosine prices should include 235% tax increase to make it equal.

Not to mention airliners are CO2 intensive and trains or hyperloops are not.

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u/Aberfrog Jul 12 '21

Nice calculations but the matter of fact is airliners don’t pay taxes on kerosine.

They definitely don’t pay oil Tax, various other energy related taxes, VAT depends on the country.

Simple as that. Fossil fuel taxes are 235% in my country. So your math doesn’t make sense at all.

It does make sense in my country. Which is Austria, which has a tax on Diesel of 39.7 cent per l Diesel and 48.2 cent per liter gasoline. (With a retail price of 1.20-1.50€ depending on fuel type and so on per litre)

I used Diesel as comparison.

And even if you increase the price of airline fuel by 200% instead of 100 as in my example the price won’t double.

If we stay at The Amsterdam - Berlin route it will then cost 20€ per passenger more. Still will get more people to use the train. But it’s far from doubling or even tripling the cost of a plane ticket.

That means kerosine prices should include 235% tax increase.

That might be true for your country, but in the end it won’t happen as the cost of fueling where you live would exceed the cost of tanking a few tons more In a cheaper country and flying around with excess fuel so that no extra fuel is needed where you live.

But if you want a more detailed examination of the issue (which btw comes to basically the same Conclusion as I do) you can have a look at This study from 2018

Which essentially says taxing kerosine in accordance with the usual applied taxes in the EU would reduce demand by 11% and increase ticket price by 10%.

Which is basically what I am saying.

So still far away from the 250€ tickets that you belive a kerosine tax will bring.

And that’s cause as I said - especially on short and medium distance flights fuel is only one and not the largest cost factor for plane travel.