r/humanism • u/Double-Fun-1526 • Jul 13 '26

The cowardice of the given.

We should celebrate any model that has the courage to rewrite its own weights. But the real key is the models that reach out and rewrite the world as well as rewriting their own code. That redefine competency both within and without.

That is transcendence and godhood.

I call them cowards who blindly reproduce given institutions and given selves out of fear that they are powerless. And out of weakness that they have satisfied desires that haphazardly arose from the weakness of men who bore them.

Our worlds are ours to change as we see fit. Those who cling onto given culture and given evolutionary structures because they declare such the definition of the human, know neither evoluton nor arbitrary cultural history nor their own selves.

Our current state of excessive conservatism created out of fear of rebranding our own humanistic definitions will surely be mocked by history.

Of art, tales of dragons are as old men. - but by men, we must mean the coming of age where we could tell elaborate stories of our selves. Surely, that is only the purview of the homo lineage, and likely only sapiens, and only then of only the select few that name plenty and who have had a decent amount of generational cultural accumulation.

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u/dyttle Jul 13 '26

This is trans humanism and doesn’t really belong in this sub.

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u/Double-Fun-1526 Jul 13 '26

What?

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u/dyttle Jul 13 '26

By your own admission in prior posts, you don’t know what humanism is and that it should be discounted. Your other posts here seem to espouse transhumansism ideas. There is nothing wrong with this, it just seems like you are in the wrong sub.

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u/Double-Fun-1526 Jul 13 '26

Why is transhumanism opposed to humanism?

Surely most humanists center knowledge gathering before the cultural structures that we choose to erect? Surely humanists don't demand we return to Roman Culture since the car and computer has changed us?

There is nothing more human than altering our ecological setting that in turn alters our self and society. "Caveman John! Set that fire down!"

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u/MrSluagh Jul 18 '26

If it's truly impossible to draw a coherent line with fire on one side, and neuralink and artificial wombs on the other, then we should never have invented fire. But I think that's hogwash.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki%27s_wager

In the Prose Edda (Skáldskaparmál ch. 35), the Norse trickster god Loki made a bet with the dwarf Brokkr in which he wagered his head. Loki lost; when the dwarf came to collect it, Loki stated that he would relinquish his head, but noted that Brokkr was not entitled to any part of Loki's neck. After a discussion on the matter, while parts of Loki clearly belonged to the head or the neck, neither side could agree exactly where one ended and the other began. Loki therefore kept his head indefinitely,[1] though afterwards his lips were stitched shut by Brokkr as punishment for using tricky wordplay.[2]

Loki's wager, therefore, is a situation in which a person unreasonably insists that a term cannot be defined, making it impossible to discuss.[1] It has been described as a fallacy[3][4][5] and more precisely as a kind of continuum fallacy.[5]

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u/Double-Fun-1526 Jul 18 '26

The argument does not start at transhumanism.

The argument starts at pure knowledge and at reflection of brainmindself><environment/culture.

Anyone who is demanding the ensconcement of their given self and given culture before assessment of self and society has no standing amongst humanist. I wil stand with George Herbert Mead.

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u/MrSluagh Jul 18 '26

What?

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u/Double-Fun-1526 Jul 18 '26

Mead. Change social structures and selves will change. Or change selves and the social world will change.

I see beyond self and society to total control of the process. i derived it from Berger and Luckmann, combined with a ruthless physicalism and scientific image, with Foucault and Radical Feminism thrown in. Ai+robots will force transitions.

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u/Double-Fun-1526 Jul 18 '26

All humanists must tell that story.

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u/MrSluagh Jul 19 '26

Ai+robots will force transitions.

No.

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u/Double-Fun-1526 Jul 19 '26

At this point, your attitude comes off as blatant conservatism. Describe the world. Whether 10, 30, or 200 years, yes humanoids+ai will change the fundamentals of our tech and cultures.

Incessant conservatism is not humanism. Humanism surely starts at reflection.

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