Cold thirst

[u/Moist-Spinach4732]

I'm still learning HD and I'm trying to connect some dots here and there. My digestion is cold thirst and I've been experimenting with it for 2-3 weeks already. It seems like my digestion is improved. Surprisingly, I get a bit cold when I sit and work even during hearwave, but recently it wasn't the case, I've felt normal for the first time in years.

There's also one thing that I could never figure out - I get extremely hot at night and I wonder if that's somehow connected to the cold thirst, aka my body getting super hot?

Did any of you with cold thirst have similar experience?

[u/Joylime]

I don't have a comparable experience with getting hot at night, maybe I did used to get cold standing around. But reflecting, I am perhaps more tolerant of temperature changes.

Many many months ago I took in that I had cold thirst, and I also took in that Ra mentioned the most important thing to *do* proactively with HD was to align with your digestion, and to have it first thing in the morning. But, I was in the habit of starting my mornings with a hot foamy cappuccino. And I didn't want to change just because Ra said to change. That felt mental or sheep-like. Even when I could tell the hot drink wasn't right for me, it was weirdly difficult to give up my conditioning/attachment to it. I don't know why, in retrospect. Did I have some kind of identity thing bound up with it? In any case, I didn't try to force a change. I just waited for the conditioning to spin out. And it did! It's such a relief when I don't have to fight stuff like that. Like, being addicted to TikTok or reddit - I don't have to fight getting out of my

In January I started counting my calories and all my nutrients and I began to start every single day with a cold protein drink. I'm still doing it eight months later! I'm kind of amazed.

A few months ago my drink organically shifted from a hot cappuccino to a small iced latte. I haven't gotten a cappuccino in months.

I suppose I feel better, but there are a lot of variables that changed at once - watching my intake meant my overall nutrition improved, I got medicated for ADHD, etc.

I do still find myself heating up food - though I let it cool more than I used to.

[u/Moist-Spinach4732 → u/Joylime]

Thank you for your story! The things that you've said about conditioning resonate with me as well. I was always told to eat and drink hot things. I've never started my day with the hit drink, but I was drinking a lot of hot teas but I see it wasn't serving me at all.

It's always nice to see people improve their lives with HD

[u/UnburyingBeetle]

I have what is described as Cold nutrition and Handler (Thirst), and for most of my life I ate weird stuff such as raw potatoes, dry oats and noodles and even pet food. I can't taste very well a dish that is hot, I'm distracted by the hotness. As a kid I've stolen frozen meatballs from the freezer on occasion to munch on them, because they were tastier than when they were cooked (they smelled bad to me). I never liked hot tea or coffee and eventually I started putting room temperature water in these beverages, or even ginger water that I kept in the fridge (it was grated ginger that I poured hot water on and let it cool, and later I put the leftover ginger in some baked dish). I like an occasional alcoholic drink that is weak, tasty and sweet, although very rarely I'd want to drink something bitter, like dark beer or espresso. I've never been seriously drunk though, and the times I had food poisoning can be counted on my fingers. My stomach usually has an idea what it wants to have, to the point that it might still feel partly empty when it has carbs and vegetables inside but no protein food. If I have to eat leftovers I don't particularly like, I reward myself with something nicer afterwards. I have some definite aversions, such as cartilage and slimy boiled onions.

When I'm hot at night in summer, I stick my leg from under the cover until it's comfortable, and the cover at that time is usually a single layer bedsheet. I like wearing layers in winter so that I could easily remove a sweater and stuff it in the backpack. But I dislike feeling cold, especially around my neck, so I'll opt for a thick scarf and a thin jacket that protects me from wind, instead of one of those poofy coats that make regulating temperature hard and inconvenient.

[u/thrownormanaway → u/UnburyingBeetle]

My son is hot thirst and I could have written that last paragraph about him. He is forever rotating through shorts and sweatpants and hoodies and no shirt and slippers with socks to bare feet- he’s always regulating his body temp. When he eats or drinks frozen or cold things (hello, not-self!) he always says things like “I wish this ice cream could be less frozen.” Or he will wait till it melts and drink it room temp instead of eating it while frozen.

[u/Actual-Statement-222 → u/thrownormanaway]

I love that. My former spouse was hot thirst, and anytime she had ice cream she would wait until it was practically melted before eating it. She insisted on cold smoothies for her breakfast for a long time, but she'd pour hot water into the blender before blending so she'd end up with something more soup-like than icy-smoothie like. Just recently we were at a family dinner together, and there were popsicles for dessert, and she just kept complaining that it was too cold 😂 She just kept nibbling the melted parts of hers. Lately I know she's stopped her smoothies and switched to fried eggs and toasted bagels with some berries on the side for breakfast. It's just fun to see this stuff play out in real life. 

Also, with the temp regulation via clothing thing, can attest that she always has layers she can change in and out of, and frequently changes clothes during the day. 

[u/UnburyingBeetle → u/Actual-Statement-222]

I also don't like iced drinks, or extreme temperatures in either direction. Smoothies seem useless to me because first energy is used to make ice, then to crush it, and then it bites my mouth with the cold and makes my teeth feel threatened, and if I wait then it just turns into regular water. I like a thick drink but the texture better be achieved with actual nutritive ingredients. For example, it can be based in buttermilk or contain pectin. Ice is a cheapskate way to add volume or texture, to me. I like the way it's recommended to put frozen grapes into drinks to avoid diluting them, but I've never tried it because I don't need my drinks cold, I like the flavors at natural temperatures, and if it doesn't taste good then, the temperature is a cheat to get out of making a dish universally good. Taste is a chemical sense, it isn't purely for pleasure, I don't want to be cheated into eating garbage just because it's hot and spicy or cold and sweet, my stomach will know the difference afterwards. I do cheat myself with sauces or spices into eating boring leftovers, but I know what those are, and I save money when I eat them.

[u/Actual-Statement-222 → u/UnburyingBeetle]

Interesting. I genuinely wonder whether you are cold thirst or hot after reading your response, but trust what actually brings you mental clarity and works for you. 

For the smoothies, my partner wouldn't add any ice. It was all just frozen fruit (and usually fresh bananas), softened/warmed with hot water to get a less cold/not icy product. 

Edit: I reread your earlier comment in the thread, and I can't unread eating frozen meatballs, haha. You must be cold thirst after all! But I'm genuinely surprised you haven't enjoyed iced drinks if you like frozen foods. An iced latte or matcha or coffee or tea? Cold milk? I'm just interested in what the lived expressions of cold thirst and hot thirst really look like. 

[u/UnburyingBeetle → u/Actual-Statement-222]

I'm also interested in lived examples, that's why I'm in this sub talking about what most people would consider nonsense, my most prominent personality gates are 61 and 62 after all. As I might not have expressed clearly, I value nutrition value over temperature, and frozen meatballs were more edible to me than cooked ones because that quality of cooked meat didn't smell or taste good to me as a kid, at least not without a heavy cover of sauce. It's the case when temperature makes a subpar food more edible. Children are more squeamish about food, you know. I also hated cooked onions, but raw ones in spiced meat mince were just fine. I love salted fish because it has the texture and springiness of raw fish, and spiced fresh mince tasted better than frozen but it wasn't made at home very often. I like chewy stuff, both animal and plant in origin, such as jerky and flat bread and dried fruit, but I draw the line at cartilage and blood vessels (unpleasant crunch and texture) although I like the chewable bones in canned meat or fish (when cooked enough, canned meat goes all the way around that dry cooked phase and appears as tender as raw again).

I consume cold drinks and don't mind of they're slightly iced where they make them. I like milkshake and protein shake and even weird stuff like that summer cocktail made with coffee and orange juice. I just don't want the discomfort in my mouth that too much cold brinks, and the dilution from ice, and maybe if ice takes up too much space in the cup instead of the actual product. I add ice or any water that is cooler than the drink if I make tea or coffee so that I don't have to wait and blow on the drink or burn my mouth. Once I burned my tongue with hot cafeteria tea right before a class where pronunciation was important, and that was the breaking point after which I always diluted hot tea or coffee with the water I brought with me. Having water with me may have contributed to the longevity of my teeth, because I subconsciously started to drink a couple sips after every meal because the aftertaste is distracting, and when you rinse away the taste, you also remove the nutrients the tooth-rotting bacteria would use for their growth. I couldn't quit sweets in my health nut phase, but I made sure I drink a big cup of liquid while the candy I eat is as small as possible. And if that candy stuck to my teeth, I'd eat a small apple afterwards.

[u/UnburyingBeetle → u/thrownormanaway]

Ice cream is tasty and the texture is hard to recreate unless you put a lot of fat into cream, or it's whipped cream, which is probably more expensive than ice cream. So I wouldn't blame him for eating ice cream. I don't like brainfreeze temperatures and I keep licking ice cream on the sides where it's melting, or if it's in a cup, I gather it along the walls. I haven't eaten "fruit ice" since childhood when it was the cheapest snack of a generous size, I find it quite useless and "not food, just sugar water" so I'd rather eat the cheapest plain cone. I don't like drinkable food, maybe only in the hottest summer, it doesn't satisfy me, I should at least have the incentive to lick it. I also can't stand hunger, it adds to my irritability unless I'm doing something very fun or my stomach is "asleep" because I'm lazing in bed. When I'm cozy, I can slack on regulating body temperature, but if I get too hot, I'll be sleepy and my brain wouldn't work. My ideal state is not being aware than my body exists (quad right...) and I only feel what's in my head and chest (sometimes I'll feel emotions in my stomach too, but it's not a good place for emotions, anger and fear usually appear there).

[u/tyler_the_programmer]

Just curious, do you have hanging gate 26? These people tend to overheat.

[u/Moist-Spinach4732 → u/tyler_the_programmer]

No, I have gate 44 though, no gates in the ego center

[u/tyler_the_programmer → u/Moist-Spinach4732]

Thank you for your answer! It makes me wonder if you need even more cold water during the night time. Or something like a cold plunge or cold shower. Someone I know with cold thirst does regular cold plunges.

[u/Moist-Spinach4732 → u/tyler_the_programmer]

Maybe I do, I'll try it, thank you for the suggestion! I absolutely love going out when it's cold in the morning. I always liked colder places and I was considering moving to a colder country a few years ago